A Worker Is Not Just For Christmas.

[Mr Bloke]

3 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Cherry pick?

Another myth blown out of the water.

 

Once upon a time British employers could offer the same terms and conditions to all. 

Who is going to be paying much higher tax rates to work in the UK for 90 days?

Who is going to be taking a pay cut to work in the UK for 90 days?

Who is going to be giving up their health, education, welfare and pension benefits to work in the UK for 90 days?

Who is going to be giving up employment protection rights, loyalty schemes, career progression to work in the UK for 90 days?

 

 

 

Hmmm...

... and who is going to give up their dole money to work in the UK?

[melthebell]

2 minutes ago, Mr Bloke said:

Hmmm...

... and who is going to give up their dole money to work in the UK?

apparently there isnt anybody? theres more vacancies than people applying lol

[bassett one]

but how many are unemployed that could go and work on a farm or a factory,there must be more able to do these jobs than vacancies ,so what are the job centres doing? theres loads of able bodied available,whats a matter,they have no intention of working,its a disgrace,re-the drivers thats not easy and will take 2-3 years,why not offer free lessons/tests to help those out of work.

[Delbow]

5 hours ago, bassett one said:

have we not got folk capable of picking,sprouts,potatoes ect,ect,i would think it would be great to get away from home and enjoy the freedom,maybe go back in the summer,no where to spend my wages really,come back with some nice cash for christmas and talk about my experiance on the farm,may be hard work,but better than the dole.

The reality is that when the people who moaned about migrants "taking our jobs" finally managed to get rid of the migrant workers, it turned out they never wanted to do the jobs that were being "taken" from them in the first place.  Who to blame next for their ills, other than themselves?

[tinfoilhat]

1 hour ago, bassett one said:

but how many are unemployed that could go and work on a farm or a factory,there must be more able to do these jobs than vacancies ,so what are the job centres doing? theres loads of able bodied available,whats a matter,they have no intention of working,its a disgrace,re-the drivers thats not easy and will take 2-3 years,why not offer free lessons/tests to help those out of work.

Alot of the jobs aren't secure or are temporary. Would you take a job for 8 weeks if you knew that when your contract was up it would take 6 weeks to get your benefits back? Or get a job in the hospitality industry  - great, lots of work. Whoops, 4 weeks in there's another lockdown, no furlough for you and its 6 weeks to get your benefits back. There are a core of lazy ****ers in this country without a doubt, the rest is much more nuanced.

[altus]

9 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Alot of the jobs aren't secure or are temporary. Would you take a job for 8 weeks if you knew that when your contract was up it would take 6 weeks to get your benefits back? Or get a job in the hospitality industry  - great, lots of work. Whoops, 4 weeks in there's another lockdown, no furlough for you and its 6 weeks to get your benefits back. There are a core of lazy ****ers in this country without a doubt, the rest is much more nuanced.

This country really needs a "suspend benefits while you do a temporary job" rule where, when the job ends, you get put back in the benefits you were on quickly to help make it practical for people to take such temporary positions. Having to start from scratch with a benefit claim when a short term job ends just makes the hassle not worth the effort - particularly when many such jobs don't pay enough to allow people to save money to tide them over until their new benefits come through.

[Thirsty Relic]

52 minutes ago, altus said:

This country really needs a "suspend benefits while you do a temporary job" rule where, when the job ends, you get put back in the benefits you were on quickly to help make it practical for people to take such temporary positions. Having to start from scratch with a benefit claim when a short term job ends just makes the hassle not worth the effort - particularly when many such jobs don't pay enough to allow people to save money to tide them over until their new benefits come through.

Superb idea. 

 

Pity it's only on a forum.  Even if this got to the attention of those in power, it's far too sensible to be put into practice!

[bassett one]

but they get a months money when they sign off,they get a months money when they leave there job,plus they get work experiance,plus many farms would take back a good worker for months in the summer,also needed bar workers,warehouse workers,many on the coast are seasonal workers,many work hard 6-9 months save there cash ,sign on the rest,but have time and money to enjoy there lives inbetween.

[Delbow]

11 hours ago, altus said:

This country really needs a "suspend benefits while you do a temporary job" rule where, when the job ends, you get put back in the benefits you were on quickly to help make it practical for people to take such temporary positions. Having to start from scratch with a benefit claim when a short term job ends just makes the hassle not worth the effort - particularly when many such jobs don't pay enough to allow people to save money to tide them over until their new benefits come through.

We used to have this with JSA - if you signed back on within a certain time you could make a 'rapid reclaim', plus you got 4 weeks 'run on' of housing benefit when you signed off. JSA has been replaced by Universal Credit, which in some ways makes it easier to dip in and out of work because you don't sign off when you start work, your UC just gets reduced. Part of the problem is that unless your maths skills are very good (which let's be honest they probably aren't if you're picking fruit for a living), you won't know how much your UC will reduce by, based on your likely earnings, until the DWP work out your new rate, which makes budgeting for rent and other essentials really difficult.

 

UC has also replaced tax credits, and this is where the real problem comes, because it's a lot less generous than tax credits. This matters because a lot of wages in the UK are not living wages, and the top up from UC isn't enough to make them living wages. Last week, Baroness Stroud, who is a right wing Tory peer, was on the radio admitting that there were a lot of people in the UK who 'are doing all the right things but still don't have enough' (though she stopped short of admitting  that this had been made a lot worse by her own party).

 

I'm laughing at capitalists who have decided that the state shouldn't build affordable housing, meaning housing costs are the highest they've ever been, decided that childcare should be left to the private sector, making it really expensive, privatised public transport making that unreliable and really expensive, and now wonder why no-one wants their crap jobs on sub-living wage in the arse end of nowhere!

[bassett one]

but single folks could do the farm jobs,its not rocket science,we have loads of unemployed