Sarah Everard.

[The_DADDY]

It seems I'm very much in the minority with my opinion here which I'm fine with but I have to say I  would be happier if police corruption and police brutality was dealt with no matter the gender of the victim but if people latch on to this Man vs Women narrative and that results in something being done about the police in general then I'm all for it. Remember this was an officer of the law who abused his powers, arrested, raped and murdered somone and according to some reports in the media he had some sort of previous for similar things hence his rather vile nickname. 

 

35 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Wll just add I support bringing back the death penalty for men convicted of crimes of this nature.

Now that's a stupid idea. The death penalty has no place in our society. 

[The Joker]

2 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Remember this was an officer of the law who abused his powers, arrested, raped and murdered somone and according to some reports in the media he had some sort of previous for similar things hence his rather vile nickname.

So if an ordinary civilian rapes and murders somebody, that's somehow better?  OK, thanks for the advice.

[The_DADDY]

1 hour ago, saywhatnow said:

No, nor do I think that the police don't need to do anything about bent coppers. I'm merely trying to say why I think the media coverage has taken a particular direction. 

Yes I get that but I just think an opportunity is being missed with the reporting. In my view the focus should be on police criminality. This would have been an ideal time to shine a light on them and force some change with the police. 

Just now, The Joker said:

So if an ordinary civilian rapes and murders somebody, that's somehow better? 

Wow. You'd need to be really twisted to think like that. 

We'll done for showing your true colours. 👍

[saywhatnow]

2 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Yes I get that but I just think an opportunity is being missed with the reporting. In my view the focus should be on police criminality. This would have been an ideal time to shine a light on them and force some change with the police. 

That side of it is definitely not being talked about as much in the media. It'd be very disappointing if that was being done brush it aside so nothing had to be done about it. Hopefully that's not the case and there are reviews and processes in place to see what can be done to minimise risks like this. 

 

I certainly don't think that his abuse of power is irrelevant in this story. 

[The Joker]

11 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Wow. You'd need to be really twisted to think like that. 

We'll done for showing your true colours. 👍

Like I said yesterday, you're just not very smart.  You just keep on digging them holes 🙂

[Carbuncle]

This seems to be about how you slice the data*.

 

If you slice by gender of murder victims then male victims outnumber female victims by around 2 to 1.

 

If you slice by gender of rape victims then female victims outnumber male victims by around 6 to 1.

 

If you slice by gender of street crime victims then (I think) male victims outnumber female victims.

 

If you think the gender of the perp is important then of course you find male perps are far in the majority.

 

Perhaps it is relevant that the big win in terms of reducing 'femicide' would be to cut domestic violence which is the most common scenario for the murder of women accounting for something like half of all such murders. The Sarah Everard case was not of course an instance of domestic violence. It was also not typical of a rape because stranger rape is very much the exception. Here the big win would be to cut rapes by husbands and partners.

 

My own view: looked at from the perspective of potential victims this was a one-off, it does not fit a common pattern and its better to make changes based on criminology and data rather than one-offs. In terms of perpetrators, I do not know whether there is an issue about the police angle. @The_DADDY, is there a source for the officer's prior misconduct?

 

* It's a while since I looked at the data so I am going from memory of old data: murders from ONS (?) data, rapes from Crime Survey of England and Wales/ British Crime Survey.

[saywhatnow]

I also think with the type of crime it was, it was committed because of the type of man he was and not because he was a police officer. Because of the type of man he was he used his status as a police officer to do what he did. If he'd never become a police officer but became a taxi driver (for example) he might have used that as a way to do what he did.

[dan2802]

What ever sentence he gets tomorrow will be nothing compared to what he gets when behind bars.

Best of luck to the other 'lifers' who have nothing to lose by giving this scum bag rapist murderer  everything he deserves.

[Carbuncle]

12 minutes ago, saywhatnow said:

I also think with the type of crime it was, it was committed because of the type of man he was and not because he was a police officer. Because of the type of man he was he used his status as a police officer to do what he did. If he'd never become a police officer but became a taxi driver (for example) he might have used that as a way to do what he did.

I  don't know what the background is. I assumed from the OP that other police officers might have covered for him or failed to investigate complaints.

[Waldo]

3 hours ago, The Joker said:

then it very much is a man v woman thing.

Nah, it’s more like, men who think it’s okay to rape women, v, everyone else.

 

Police turning a blind eye to bad police officers, is a separate issue.