National Hate Crime Week. Should Shouting At Or Close Passing Cyclists Be A Hate

[Rockers rule]

7 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

so who kills who on the roads , lets have some stats eh .

As a recovery driver I've picked up a lot more damaged cars than cycles

I think the percentage will show car drivers have the edge on killing themselves. 

 

Keep safe out there

Edited October 14, 2021 by Rockers rule
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[Delbow]

1 hour ago, Caswall said:

Unfortunately your sense of entitlement and selfish attitude, deliberately obstructing car drivers by driving in the middle of the lane, is exactly why so many drivers loathe cyclists.  

As someone who cycles and drives, it's not entitlement to move out into the road to block an unsafe overtake, it's self-defence. The classic is the approach to a traffic island. Some drivers think they can safely squeeze in between a cycle and a traffic island - safe for them maybe, not for me. So I will move out to close that option off, soon as I'm past the island I'll move back in so you can overtake. If there are people so emotionally fragile that this ruins their whole day, there's therapy and/or buses 

[Guest sibon]

2 hours ago, Caswall said:

Unfortunately your sense of entitlement and selfish attitude, deliberately obstructing car drivers by driving in the middle of the lane, is exactly why so many drivers loathe cyclists.  

No.

 

Some drivers loathe cyclists because they are nobs.

 

The drivers, I mean. Not the cyclists.

 

A cyclist is entitled to ride anywhere in the lane. A motorist, in charge of a tonne of metal should have the skill to pass safely, or a lot of patience.

 

When did you become the most important person on the road?

[Findlay]

It goes without saying that the majority of drivers are good people willing to share the road with other road users and can spare the time to overtake safely.

What we are talking about here is a minority of drivers that cause someone to be injured or killed every day on Sheffield's roads.

No cyclist is Sheffield has caused death or serious injury or even the threat of serious injury so the argument for a reflective hate crime is ludicrous.

If a same sex couple holding hands is set upon by someone who doesn't agree with their lifestyle how is that different from someone intentionally driving or pushing them off their bike because they don't like their mode of transport or their position on the road?

Archaic driving laws are not fit for purpose. Getting points on a licence is not going to solve the social problem so making the attitude socially unacceptable will work better.

[RollingJ]

2 minutes ago, Findlay said:

It goes without saying that the majority of drivers are good people willing to share the road with other road users and can spare the time to overtake safely.

What we are talking about here is a minority of drivers that cause someone to be injured or killed every day on Sheffield's roads.

No cyclist is Sheffield has caused death or serious injury or even the threat of serious injury so the argument for a reflective hate crime is ludicrous.

If a same sex couple holding hands is set upon by someone who doesn't agree with their lifestyle how is that different from someone intentionally driving or pushing them off their bike because they don't like their mode of transport or their position on the road?

Archaic driving laws are not fit for purpose. Getting points on a licence is not going to solve the social problem so making the attitude socially unacceptable will work better.

Bolded bit - you have documented proof of that claim?

[Findlay]

https://roadtraffic.dft.gov.uk/custom-downloads/road-accidents/

 

Accident year	Casualty severity	Local authority	Road user	Casualties
2020	Slightly injured	Sheffield	Pedestrian	85
2020	Seriously injured	Sheffield	Pedestrian	57
2020	Killed	Sheffield	Pedestrian	3
2020	Slightly injured	Sheffield	Pedal cycle	83
2020	Seriously injured	Sheffield	Pedal cycle	40
2020	Seriously injured	Sheffield	Motorcycle	28
2020	Slightly injured	Sheffield	Motorcycle	27
2020	Killed	Sheffield	Motorcycle	2
2020	Seriously injured	Sheffield	Car (Includes taxis and minibus)	114
2020	Slightly injured	Sheffield	Car (Includes taxis and minibus)	470
2020	Killed	Sheffield	Car (Includes taxis and minibus)	3
2020	Slightly injured	Sheffield	Bus or coach	31
2020	Seriously injured	Sheffield	Bus or coach	5
2020	Seriously injured	Sheffield	Van / Goods 3.5 tonnes mgw or under	1
2020	Slightly injured	Sheffield	Van / Goods 3.5 tonnes mgw or under	12
2020	Slightly injured	Sheffield	HGV	2
2020	Slightly injured	Sheffield	Other vehicle	5
2020	Seriously injured	Sheffield	Other vehicle	2
				970

[RollingJ]

OK  - from last years figures, I accept  that 123 were slightly/seriously injured, but unless the year has got shorted to 4 months, that is not 'every day' and I note there are no pedal cyclist deaths reported.

[Jim117]

Many moons ago when I was a motorcycle instructor we used to teach riders to ride in the middle of the lane. The rationale was that you were midway between hazards. Eg. Dozy pedestrians stepping off the kerb and oncoming traffic. The thing is even a learner motorcycle is easily capable of keeping up with traffic flow and hence is not slowing anyone down. I personally advised people not to get a 50cc moped restricted to 30mph at 16 years old. Fast enough to get into trouble but not fast enough to get you out. I get the advice to cyclists and don’t close pass them but Jesus Christ guys, if you are a recreational cyclist and think it’s okay to plod up Baslow hill with a half mile of traffic grinding along in second gear behind you then you really need to have a good think about that.

[Findlay]

That's why there are two road positions taught.

Secondary position  - 0.75m from the kerb or arms length so cars can get past when its clear leaving a 1.5m gap as in the first post.

Primary position - when approaching junctions or when its not safe to overtake.

[Caswall]

1 hour ago, Jim117 said:

Many moons ago when I was a motorcycle instructor we used to teach riders to ride in the middle of the lane. The rationale was that you were midway between hazards. Eg. Dozy pedestrians stepping off the kerb and oncoming traffic. The thing is even a learner motorcycle is easily capable of keeping up with traffic flow and hence is not slowing anyone down. I personally advised people not to get a 50cc moped restricted to 30mph at 16 years old. Fast enough to get into trouble but not fast enough to get you out. I get the advice to cyclists and don’t close pass them but Jesus Christ guys, if you are a recreational cyclist and think it’s okay to plod up Baslow hill with a half mile of traffic grinding along in second gear behind you then you really need to have a good think about that.

Pure selfishness.  Same with a  lot of the narrow roads out in the Peak, especially towards and around Chatsworth, often with miles of solid white lines - horrendous lack of consideration for others.