El Cid Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Clapped Out: Is the NHS Broken? Dispatches channel four Eighteen months into the worst pandemic in a century, this hard-hitting special travels the country asking some tough questions about the performance of our much-loved NHS. Did anyone see the full program? I saw part of it and our NHS needs some TLC. I am thinking about leaving a few thousand to the NHS in my will, but I am hoping that I wont die for at least a decade. https://www.channel4.com/programmes/clapped-out-is-the-nhs-broken-dispatches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Interesting. I had a quick shufty at the Sheffield Teaching Hospitals Annual Report https://www.sth.nhs.uk/clientfiles/File/STHNHSFT 201920 Annual Report and Accounts (Laid).pdf My eyes boggled at page 41 - 20% of the staff are Admin and Estates. I left the NHS in 1991 when it got to 10%, thinking the organisation was getting mired in bureaucracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Chiefs and Indians spring to mind . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) Seems a bit of an overreaction. Put another way, that means that 80% of the staff are medical or health functions staff. You do realise that doctors and nurses don't sit typing out letters or go round fetching and carrying supplies or stand there cooking the meals. Such work doesn't happen by some magical pixie that nips in overnight. Just like any massive organisation it needs teams of back office and operational staff to run it. In turn, those teams of staff need management to organise and direct it. It really doesn't seem like such a shocking high figure to me. I would have thought it about right if not slightly less than expected. Edited October 19, 2021 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 Across NHS hospital, community and primary care settings, there are 160,000 doctors in total and around 350,000 nurses and midwives. These two groups – while large – constitute only just over a third of the total workforce. This highlights the multi-disciplinary nature of the NHS, with its reliance on others such as health care scientists, physiotherapists and occupational therapists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said: Seems a bit of an overreaction. Put another way, that means that 80% of the staff are medical staff. You do realise that doctors and nurses don't sit typing out letters or go round fetching and carrying supplies or stand there cooking the meals Just like any massive organisation it needs teams of back office and operational staff to run it. In turn, those teams of staff need management to organise and direct it. It really doesn't seem like such a shocking high figure to me. I would have thought it about right if not slightly less than expected. I rather suspect a lot of the ancillary functions - portering, cleaning, catering etc were privatised years ago (it started in the late 80's)and don't appear on the head count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 Number of doctors per 1,000 population for OECD countries 02/09/2021 UK = 2.95 Austria = 5.25 Germany = 4.31 Italy/Spain = 4.02 https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers#8-how-do-we-compare-to-other-countries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top4718 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 The NHS is poor, wasteful and totally mismanaged, its held together by the its superb frontline staff a major rethink is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, El Cid said: Number of doctors per 1,000 population for OECD countries 02/09/2021 UK = 2.95 Austria = 5.25 Germany = 4.31 Italy/Spain = 4.02 https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers#8-how-do-we-compare-to-other-countries Rather like the number of beds per 100,000 population I reported on the covid thread - we've way less than Germany and France for example. https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/473199-coronavirus-part-two/page/852/?tab=comments#comment-8459363 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, top4718 said: The NHS is poor, wasteful and totally mismanaged, its held together by the its superb frontline staff a major rethink is needed. The Tories love to "reform" the NHS - they did it in 70's, in the 80's, in 2012 and are promising to do it again. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55960355 Despite the aim "to tackle bureaucracy" I suspect it'll end up like the "Patients First" initiative in the 80's when the NHS got more managers and accountants and fewer beds. Edited October 19, 2021 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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