Clapped Out: Is The Nhs Broken?

[ECCOnoob]

Just now, Longcol said:

Not all Canadian healthcare is free.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada

 

"Canadian Medicare provides coverage for approximately 70 percent of Canadians' healthcare needs, and the remaining 30 percent is paid for through the private sector.^[7][8] The 30 percent typically relates to services not covered or only partially covered by Medicare, such as prescription drugs, eye care, and dentistry"

 

It ranks just below the UK in provision of hospital beds per 100,000 people  - 36th in the world as oppossed to 35th - pretty poor for advanced economies.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds 

 

Spends more per capita than the UK and similar to France and Belgium.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

 

As for lack of healthcare crisis - just a few stories from a quick google - sounds sort of familiar.

 

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/governments-face-looming-cash-crisis-health-care-spending

 

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/stories-from-inside-canada-s-hospital-crisis-1.6192761

 

https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/medicares-midlife-crisis-fixing-canadian-health-care-for-the-21st-century/

 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-robson-the-health-care-crisis-in-canada-is-that-nothing-ever-changes

 

 

So why not look at what European countries, especially Germany and France, are doing?

 

That 30% doesn't sound too far from our own health system. Unless you have strict exemptions most of us pay for our own prescriptions, dentistry and optical.

[Carbuncle]

2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

That 30% doesn't sound too far from our own health system. Unless you have strict exemptions most of us pay for our own prescriptions, dentistry and optical.

Prescriptions and dentistry are subsidised.

[Longcol]

4 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

That 30% doesn't sound too far from our own health system. Unless you have strict exemptions most of us pay for our own prescriptions, dentistry and optical.

True - but you stated healthcare was free in Canada.

 

Any reason why we shouldn't consider European alternatives?

Edited October 20, 2021 by Longcol

[ECCOnoob]

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

True - but you stated it was free in Canada.

 

Any reason why we shouldn't consider European alternatives?

Ok Mr pedantic I'm talking free as the same as ours is supposably "free".

 

I was trying to find comparisons away from Europe to something that closer aligns our own model given that apparently France and Germany are so much different and so much better.  I was trying to find some independent source similar to our own model to see whether they have the same levels of hysterical and over dramatised  press, constant crisises, government criticism and deluded fan worship who think the service can do your wrong.  

 

Nice to see things from a different angle sometimes.  

 

[Longcol]

2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Ok Mr pedantic I'm talking free as the same as ours is supposably "free".

 

I was trying to find comparisons away from Europe to something that closer aligns our own model given that apparently France and Germany are so much different and so much better.  I was trying to find some independent source similar to our own model to see whether they have the same levels of hysterical and over dramatised  press, constant crisises, government criticism and deluded fan worship who think the service can do your wrong.  

 

Nice to see things from a different angle sometimes.  

 

Your lack of sources in #40 is noted. 

 

Any problems with the ones I supplied?

[The Joker]

8 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Canada has free healthcare and yet  in the minimal amount of international press I read doesn't seem to have half of the crisis or drama that are Healthcare system has. 

Probably because they're not governed by the Evil Tories.  Do you think that might have something to do with it?

[ECCOnoob]

1 hour ago, The Joker said:

Probably because they're not governed by the Evil Tories.  Do you think that might have something to do with it?

No I don't think that simplistically.

[ECCOnoob]

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

Your lack of sources in #40 is noted. 

 

Any problems with the ones I supplied?

Not at all.  I am looking through them.  

[Resident]

On 19/10/2021 at 22:13, top4718 said:

The NHS is poor, wasteful and totally mismanaged, its held together by the its superb frontline staff a major rethink is needed.

 

On 19/10/2021 at 22:29, El Cid said:

Every large organisation is wastefull. I believe that compared to other countries it compares well, it gives an appropriate level of service for the money that goes in.

More funding is needed.

Name an organisation that on average wastes 5% of it's annual budget (this doesn't include medication wastages) every year, other than the NHS?

[nightrider]

On 19/10/2021 at 22:57, top4718 said:

It absolutely doesn't, more funding will just go into the huge blackhole that already exists, its shambolic, the Germans operate a semi private system which is superb, the clapped out NHS is a spent force. A good service doesn't have an outstanding compensation bill of £83billion pounds.

 

Why is acceptable that large organisations are wasteful, it certainly shouldn't be.

The program outlined how that can be solves, as well as other problems. All solutions required reorganisation of how things are done - but it will also take more money (unless the reorganisation magically frees up huge amounts of money).