Should The Queen Retire ?

[hauxwell]

7 hours ago, L00b said:

Depends which constitutional system you’re looking at.
 

I’m sure everyone here knows Emmanuel Macron as the French President…

 

…but who here has heard of-

 

Jean Castex?

Michael Higgins? (as opposed to Leo Varadkar)

 

Frank-Walter Steinmeier? (as opposed to Angela  Merkel)

 

Not all Presidents carry the same degree of executive power under their State’s respective constitutional arrangements, and that makes all the difference in generating ‘international interest’.
 

Your Queen is a complete counter-example in that respect: she enjoys all the soft power and goodwill-generating persona of a President with tons of executive power, like e.g. POTUS and Macron, but has less executive power than Ministers or Secretaries in their cabinets (not to say none), and yet commands such respect out of her decades of duty.

 

Something that you should treasure, rather than look to bin. Well, at least so long as you keep FPTP as an electoral model (because with that one, on evidence of past performance…yep, there’s a good chance you’d end up with President Katona or Hopkins!)

Well said and I also enjoyed reading your post.

 

I think the Queen will be here for a few more years yet.  The Queen mum was a 101 when she died.  I don’t fancy government having to change The British Constitution to include a President.  I say keep the Monarchy.

[hackey lad]

9 hours ago, L00b said:

Depends which constitutional system you’re looking at.
 

I’m sure everyone here knows Emmanuel Macron as the French President…

 

…but who here has heard of-

 

Jean Castex?

Michael Higgins? (as opposed to Leo Varadkar)

 

Frank-Walter Steinmeier? (as opposed to Angela  Merkel)

 

Not all Presidents carry the same degree of executive power under their State’s respective constitutional arrangements, and that makes all the difference in generating ‘international interest’.
 

Your Queen is a complete counter-example in that respect: she enjoys all the soft power and goodwill-generating persona of a President with tons of executive power, like e.g. POTUS and Macron, but has less executive power than Ministers or Secretaries in their cabinets (not to say none), and yet commands such respect out of her decades of duty.

 

Something that you should treasure, rather than look to bin. Well, at least so long as you keep FPTP as an electoral model (because with that one, on evidence of past performance…yep, there’s a good chance you’d end up with President Katona or Hopkins!)

Cracking post .

[Annie Bynnol]

On 25/10/2021 at 07:48, crookesey said:

 Both the British and French  armies consisted of folk far from home who were under clothed and under fed, whilst the American army consisted of patriots fighting on home turf with family back up not too far away. Lord North wouldn’t have had the intelligence to figure out what you imply and never in a million years did anyone envisage the USA as a world power.

I did not imply that anybody had special powers back then, I merely pointed out that the outcome of the British defeat turned out to be militarily beneficial to Britain in Europe and economically beneficially in having trade dominance with the US without the cost of running a colony. The incapacity of France because of revolution fermented by returning  French officers from America enabled Britain to re-start its Empire. American ideals of Revolution failed in the new US with land grabs, ethnic cleansing and slavery becoming official. The horrors of revolution abroad dissuaded many here from following a republican path enabling a period of stability. 

 

 

 

 

[trastrick]

There has been a long line of famous British Rulers, from Alfred The Great, to today's Queen Elizabeth 11.

 

Between them, they cobbled together together a disparate bunch of tribal warlords to make a nation that ruled most of the World. Some 20 of them were killed in battle or murdered.

 

You might ask what contribution the current lot had to do with that.

 

When France fell in WW2, and De Gaulle fled to England, Britain faced the Nazis alone. The King and Churchill rallied the people with frequent broadcasts of encouragement. When the palace was bombed, the King refused to leave England for the safety of the U.S. and would not send his daughters. They toured the bombed out areas and met with the people. Elizabeth joined the ATS and trained as a mechanic and driver.

 

"The King made frequent trips to visit the commanders and troops overseas—to France in December 1939, North Africa and Malta in June 1943, Normandy in June 1944, Italy in July 1944, and the Netherlands in October 1944. His willingness to visit so close to the front lines endeared him to the troops".

https://www.sarahsundin.com/british-royal-family-in-world-war-ii/

 

Prince Philip served in the British Navy during the war.

 

Governments rise and fall but the Royal Family is a symbol of enduring British values.

These symbols of endurance and British values, may be superfluous to todays complacent society, but when the chips were down, they've stood proud and defiant.

 

Be a shame to end such a long tradition, but it can easily be ended with a BREXIT type referendum. These folks might be glad of the opportunity to live a more private, normal life

[cuttsie]

35 minutes ago, trastrick said:

There has been a long line of famous British Rulers, from Alfred The Great, to today's Queen Elizabeth 11.

 

Between them, they cobbled together together a disparate bunch of tribal warlords to make a nation that ruled most of the World. Some 20 of them were killed in battle or murdered.

 

You might ask what contribution the current lot had to do with that.

 

When France fell in WW2, and De Gaulle fled to England, Britain faced the Nazis alone. The King and Churchill rallied the people with frequent broadcasts of encouragement. When the palace was bombed, the King refused to leave England for the safety of the U.S. and would not send his daughters. They toured the bombed out areas and met with the people. Elizabeth joined the ATS and trained as a mechanic and driver.

 

"The King made frequent trips to visit the commanders and troops overseas—to France in December 1939, North Africa and Malta in June 1943, Normandy in June 1944, Italy in July 1944, and the Netherlands in October 1944. His willingness to visit so close to the front lines endeared him to the troops".

https://www.sarahsundin.com/british-royal-family-in-world-war-ii/

 

Prince Philip served in the British Navy during the war.

 

Governments rise and fall but the Royal Family is a symbol of enduring British values.

These symbols of endurance and British values, may be superfluous to todays complacent society, but when the chips were down, they've stood proud and defiant.

 

Be a shame to end such a long tradition, but it can easily be ended with a BREXIT type referendum. These folks might be glad of the opportunity to live a more private, normal life

Normal life . If they packed it all in tomorrow they would still be one of the richest family's in the World and all those riches have been stolen from the people over the last thousand years , every year more and more wealth added .

The one who has run away to the USA  wants to be normal but cannot keep his gob shut for 10 minutes as gobbing off comes with the breeding , Look at Charles with his global warming campaign telling us all how we should behave while doing the precise opposite , Jetting off here  there and every where , limo convoys where ever he goes , and so on . Then  Andy skunking off all or to get his nuts off , 

Castles , Palaces , Country houses all spewing out tons of carbon , These  places could house thousands of homeless poor people but no they are left empty month after month until A royal decides it would be nice to nip up to Windsor or Balmoral for a day or two 

Normal my arse .

[trastrick]

Ok.

 

I guess I can put you down for a BRFEXIT "yes" then.

 

(Brit Royal Familiy Exit)

 

Edited October 30, 2021 by trastrick

[cuttsie]

58 minutes ago, trastrick said:

Ok.

 

I guess I can put you down for a BRFEXIT "yes" then.

 

(Brit Royal Familiy Exit)

 

Thats right pal , A President voted in by the people who can also vote them out when necessary.

[crookesey]

The Queen is on record as saying “We’ll go quietly”, when questioned about the U.K. replacing the monarchy with a republic.

[harvey19]

1 hour ago, crookesey said:

The Queen is on record as saying “We’ll go quietly”, when questioned about the U.K. replacing the monarchy with a republic.

Because she is a lady and has dignity.

Do you notice how anti monarchists never miss an opportunity to voice their criticism yet the Royal Family do not lower themselves by getting in pointless arguments about their future role.

Certain  members have let the family down in my opinion but that is no reason to give up a part of OUR tradition and pageantry.

Let us be proud of what we have and let other countries envy us instead of criticising OUR own unique possession.

[cuttsie]

19 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

Because she is a lady and has dignity.

Do you notice how anti monarchists never miss an opportunity to voice their criticism yet the Royal Family do not lower themselves by getting in pointless arguments about their future role.

Certain  members have let the family down in my opinion but that is no reason to give up a part of OUR tradition and pageantry.

Let us be proud of what we have and let other countries envy us instead of criticising OUR own unique possession.

Apparently Charles and Camealia  argue over who's turn it is to put the bins out .