What's The Solution To Misinformation?

[Chekhov]

11 hours ago, Hecate said:

Challenges to the 'pro-orthodox narrative' have been made, are being made, and will be continue to be made, at length, in the coronavirus thread that the moderator requested that the coronavirus discussion be kept.  Surely, surely, you can see that. 

This is not difficult stuff.  No one is censoring the coronavirus discussion.  The mod has just... I refer you to the points I made some moments ago.  And to the similar points I've made this afternoon, though with the evidence so far I appear to have been  howling into the void.

This is disingenuous at best.

 

Let's look at the facts :

1 - This thread was started by someone who has as his signature "Tens of thousands of people died who didn't need to die." (he means of/with Covid).

2 - Covid is mentioned TWICE in the opener, saying there is misinformation about Covid (Carbuncle is clear he means information challenging the Covid suppression narrative)

3 - The opener was neither deleted, not "pruned of Covid references, nor moved to the Covid forum.

4 - I put a post on demonstrating misinformation about Covid by the government, with evidence.

5 - The post was deleted.

 

Anyone even suggesting this is not bias is blinkered in the extreme.

 

11 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Should the moderation include bans /suspensions for a poster changing peoples posts ?

If the person doing the quote changes the meaning of the quoted post they should receive a warning.

You are implying I have done that, so would you  either :

- Give and example of where I have done that, or

- Complain to the mods, or

- Shut up.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Chekhov

[Guest]

7 hours ago, top4718 said:

The get out clause here is to ignore any facts that go against the narrative as many on the Covid thread do, the "ignore and it'll go away" tactic, its the same for both sides.

Strong belief can be extremely resistant to modification because adherence to that belief is sometimes motivated by factors beyond genuine interest in and curiosity about a subject. 

 

Consequently, belief often isn't compatible with the uncertainty, challenge and change which is the very essence of science.  That's why someone who's changed their position over a period of time to accommodate new evidence, particularly if that person is an expert in their field, is viewed by some as weak or a liar and a shill.

 

Those with belief do ignore conflicting evidence ('facts' is an interesting choice of word here).  That might be because the belief is core to who they are:  the QAnon people, for example, and adherents to much of the 'wellness' industry where belief is a lifestyle choice.  Or it might be due to lack of experience, background and understanding which, coupled with arrogance and cast iron self belief, leads to impregnable ignorance. 

 

You can't 'do you own research' and objectively weigh conflicting evidence and data if you don't have the background to understand what it is you're trying to research.  And the less experience you have in an area the greater the difficulty in appreciating just how scant your knowledge is.

[Chekhov]

4 minutes ago, Hecate said:

Strong belief can be extremely resistant to modification because adherence to that belief is sometimes motivated by factors beyond genuine interest in and curiosity about a subject. 

Absolutely.

Many of these suppressionists cannot see that is what they are suffering from, that's the irony. They never admit when they're wrong, and they have been proven wrong frequently. 

Do you remember  "July freedom day is grossly irresponsible and will result in up to 200,000 infections" ?

You might want to conveniently forget that, but I will not forget it, or any of the rest (which I am not allowed to post for fear of it being deleted....).

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

This is disingenuous at best.

 

Let's look at the facts :

1 - This thread was started by someone who has as his signature "Tens of thousands of people died who didn't need to die." (he means of/with Covid).

2 - Covid is mentioned TWICE in the opener, saying there is misinformation about Covid (Carbuncle is clear he means information challenging the Covid suppression narrative)

3 - The opener was neither deleted, not "pruned of Covid references, nor moved to the Covid forum.

4 - I put a post on demonstrating misinformation about Covid by the government, with evidence.

5 - The post was deleted.

 

Anyone even suggesting this is not bias is blinkered in the extreme.

 

Your posts and their dogged insistence are starting to concern me, so I'm going to leave this particular thread tangent to others.

[onewheeldave]

 

3 hours ago, Chekhov said:

This is disingenuous at best.

 

Let's look at the facts :

1 - This thread was started by someone who has as his signature "Tens of thousands of people died who didn't need to die." (he means of/with Covid).

2 - Covid is mentioned TWICE in the opener, saying there is misinformation about Covid (Carbuncle is clear he means information challenging the Covid suppression narrative)

3 - The opener was neither deleted, not "pruned of Covid references, nor moved to the Covid forum.

4 - I put a post on demonstrating misinformation about Covid by the government, with evidence.

5 - The post was deleted.

 

Anyone even suggesting this is not bias is blinkered in the extreme.

 

 

a very succinct and accurate summing up of the issue. 

The original post clearly breaks the board rules.

 

[Guest makapaka]

Turn the internet off - it’s gonna be the end of us all.

[hackey lad]

4 hours ago, Chekhov said:

This is disingenuous at best.

 

Let's look at the facts :

1 - This thread was started by someone who has as his signature "Tens of thousands of people died who didn't need to die." (he means of/with Covid).

2 - Covid is mentioned TWICE in the opener, saying there is misinformation about Covid (Carbuncle is clear he means information challenging the Covid suppression narrative)

3 - The opener was neither deleted, not "pruned of Covid references, nor moved to the Covid forum.

4 - I put a post on demonstrating misinformation about Covid by the government, with evidence.

5 - The post was deleted.

 

Anyone even suggesting this is not bias is blinkered in the extreme.

 

If the person doing the quote changes the meaning of the quoted post they should receive a warning.

You are implying I have done that, so would you  either :

- Give and example of where I have done that, or

- Complain to the mods, or

- Shut up.

Labour Party thread posts 2234 and 2235 . For starters 

[Chekhov]

On 11/12/2021 at 11:43, makapaka said:

Turn the internet off - it’s gonna be the end of us all.

I agree with you.

I hate the fact life is getting more and more Effin' complicated.

I'd be delighted to return to the 1990s, or even the 1980s.

Are we really happier now than we were then ?

I think not.

And I'm serious.

[Chekhov]

On 11/12/2021 at 11:58, hackey lad said:

Labour Party thread posts 2234 and 2235 . For starters 

Don't know what you mean.

You appear to be saying I am being inconsistent because I have mentioned Covid in a  "non Covid thread".

You have got the wrong end of the stick as I think Covid is probably relevant in pretty much any thread.

It is the biggest thing in the world, BY FAR, particularly as it is setting a very dangerous precedent for what will happen in the future with so much in our lives. As an example,  you may know I am on record as saying I think it probable that all hospital staff and most of the patients (including pretty much all outpatients), will have to wear masks forever now. 

I would LOVE to be proved wrong, but I worry I am not.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Chekhov

[Anna B]

10 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

Don't know what you mean.

You appear to be saying I am being inconsistent because I have mentioned Covid in a  "non Covid thread".

You have got the wrong end of the stick as I think Covid is probably relevant in pretty much any thread.

It is the biggest thing in the world, BY FAR, particularly as it is setting a very dangerous precedent for what will happen in the future with so much in our lives. As an example,  you may know I am on record as saying I think it probable that all hospital staff and most of the patients (including pretty much all outpatients, will have to wear masks forever now. 

I would LOVE to be proved wrong, but I worry I am not.

Yes, this wouldn't surprise me either. But I can say from personal experience masks are a great hazzard to clear communication, especially to the elderly who occupy the majority of beds and may well have problems with hearing.

 

But it's not just patient to nurse, but nurse to nurse, doctor to doctor etc. Communication in general seems to be a big problem in the NHS already without masks adding to the problem.