What's The Solution To Misinformation?

[Magilla]

 

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

Or a paradigm shift, when the unsustainable spiraling National Debt exceeds it's ability to finance all the "free" stuff, and people realize that dumping the debt they are running up in the name of future generations yet unborn, is not only selfish and immoral, but undemocratic.

A nice trope, but when you look at where the deficits that influence that debt come from it doesn't hold water:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/29/tweets/republican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/

 

 

[crookesey]

By not taking notice of anything printed in a  newspaper that is allied to any particular political party, but we know that’s not going to happen, don’t we?

 

[onewheeldave]

 

On 20/12/2021 at 11:40, trastrick said:

Some here have claimed the problem is accepting information that goes against "what you have been taught in schools".

 

Right now there is a debate on whether CRT, Critical Race Theory should be tough to children in schools.

 

What is CRT?

 

According to WIKI:

 

"CRT is a framework of analysis grounded in critical theory^[6] which originated in the mid-1970s in the writings of several American legal scholars, including Derrick Bell, Alan Freeman, Kimberlé Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, Cheryl Harris, Charles R. Lawrence III, Mari Matsuda, and Patricia J. Williams.^[7] One tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals.^[8][9][10]

 

CRT draws from thinkers such as Antonio Gramsci, Sojourner Truth, Frederick Douglass, and W. E. B. DuBois, as well as the Black Power, Chicano, and radical feminist movements from the 1960s and 1970s.^[7] Scholars of CRT view race as a social construct that is not "biologically grounded and natural".^[11][8] They state that the idea of "race" advances the interests of white people^[11] at the expense of people of color.^[12][13]

 

A key CRT concept is intersectionality—the way in which different forms of inequality and identity are affected by interconnections of race, class, gender and disability.^[14]

 

Academic critics of CRT argue that it is based on storytelling instead of evidence and reason, rejects the concepts of truth and merit, and opposes liberalism.^[15] Since 2020, conservative U.S. lawmakers have sought to ban or restrict the instruction of CRT along with other anti‑racism education in primary and secondary schools.^[9][16] These lawmakers have been accused of misrepresenting the tenets and importance of CRT and of having the goal of broadly silencing discussions of racism, equality, social justice, and the history of race.^[17][18]"

 

In every country their are elements of racism. 

 

But in America, blacks are successful in all fields of endeavor, politics, culture, sports and business. Sometimes dominantly so.

 

America elected a black American to the very pinnacle of power, President of the United States of America, and Leader of the Free World, not once, but twice, with help of a mostly white electorate, and a mostly white Mainstream News Media.

 

His wife, also a black American, routinely tops the List of "Most Admired Woman in America", ahead of Oprah, who is considered to be one of the richest, and most influential woman in America. Thai Lee (Born in Bangkok) heads the largest minority and woman dominated Corporation in America.

 

Right now a "woman of color" Kamila Harris is poised to be the next President of the United States of America.

 

Most of the people above came from poor or modest backgrounds.

 

Probably the only country in the World, where a poor minority can rise to the very top of society.

 

(Michele Obama, as some here will tell you would defeat Trump in a landslide, were she to decide to run in 2024, so the battle would be between Kamila and Michele)

 

No systemic racism there!

 

Contrast that record of minority achievement with any country you care to mention, including the good old UK!

 

Lol

 

 

 

Systemic racism is entirely compatible with members of the oppressed minority holding positions of [sometimes considerable] power. 

For a very brief example of the kind of thing I'm talking about-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_slave

'In many households, treatment of slaves varied with the slave's skin color. Darker-skinned slaves worked in the fields, while lighter-skinned house servants had comparatively better clothing, food and housing.[11] Referred to as "house negroes", they had a higher status and standard of living than a field slave or "field *****" who worked outdoors.'

 

15 hours ago, Waldo said:

The answer is simple. Discernment. If people were more discerning and able to see BS for what it is, I’m sure there would be less of it (what’s the point in putting out misleading false information, if no one is buying it).

 

So, how do we make people more discerning? Possibly the kind of life skills we should be teaching kids in schools, alongside regular academic learning.

The education system is part of the problem- it's primarily a system of training people to their role in society; aiding them to think for themselves and think critically is actually counter to it's purposes in many ways. Any 'critical thinking' taught is always within tight boundaries.

In the main, the people who are running or teaching within mainstream education, would likely not be capeable of teaching people to actually think critically, as they are not able to do so themselves.

IMHO of course.

Edited December 23, 2021 by onewheeldave

[melthebell]

Im surprised nobodys mentioned this yet tbh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60264178

 

Sending "genuinely threatening" or "knowingly false" messages are among new criminal offences being added to proposed online safety laws.

 

As well as posting things like posting a picture of their door to an ex to scare them and things of that nature, threatening to rape and kill, glorifying things such as suicide,  and things like bomb hoaxes. They are also adding willfully posting misinformation as a crime, you'd have to prove in a court of law that you didnt know it was wrong.

 

This is not coming from "woke" lefty snowflakes, this is the government and the pretty right wing Nadine Dorris

[The_DADDY]

1 hour ago, melthebell said:

Im surprised nobodys mentioned this yet tbh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60264178

 

 

 

 

As well as posting things like posting a picture of their door to an ex to scare them and things of that nature, threatening to rape and kill, glorifying things such as suicide,  and things like bomb hoaxes. They are also adding willfully posting misinformation as a crime, you'd have to prove in a court of law that you didnt know it was wrong.

 

This is not coming from "woke" lefty snowflakes, this is the government and the pretty right wing Nadine Dorris

A nice way to silence pro choice voices with threats of legal action if they don't bow down to the "official narrative". 

Censorship is alive and well it would seem. 

[trastrick]

19 hours ago, melthebell said:

Im surprised nobodys mentioned this yet tbh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60264178

 

 

 

 

As well as posting things like posting a picture of their door to an ex to scare them and things of that nature, threatening to rape and kill, glorifying things such as suicide,  and things like bomb hoaxes. They are also adding willfully posting misinformation as a crime, you'd have to prove in a court of law that you didnt know it was wrong.

 

This is not coming from "woke" lefty snowflakes, this is the government and the pretty right wing Nadine Dorris

No, this is coming from (guess what) a politician seeking to curry favor with the ""woke" lefty snowflakes",

 

How simple to govern if everybody believed the narrative put out by the government, and those that questioned it were prosecuted as "disinformation" trouble makers.

 

Trouble is, in a democracy the government can change, and with it the official  "narrative"!

 

But if there was only a way we could stop changing the government every 4 years or so, we could have just one official "narrative", and censure, demonize, fine, or even jail, those who would not accept it!

 

It already happening in other parts of the World,

Edited February 7, 2022 by trastrick

[Annie Bynnol]

47 minutes ago, trastrick said:

 

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But if there was only a way we could stop changing the government every 4 years or so, we could have just one official "narrative", and censure, demonize, fine, or even jail, those who would not accept it!

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Answers on a postcard please to President Trump.

[trastrick]

6 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Answers on a postcard please to President Trump.

A shout out to Castro, Xi. Kim and Putin, and the assorted mad mullahs, who have managed to shut down misinformation in their countries.

 

(of course, it depends on who defines "misinformation")

[Annie Bynnol]

17 minutes ago, trastrick said:

A shout out to Castro, Xi. Kim and Putin, and the assorted mad mullahs, who have managed to shut down misinformation in their countries.

 

(of course, it depends on who defines "misinformation")

What is the difference between Trump and  Castro, Xi, Kim and Putin?

Trump encourages "misinformation"  Castro, Xi, Kim and Putin remove it and the perpetrators.

Trump personally creates "misinformation"  Castro, Xi, Kim and Putin leave to minions.

 

What is the difference between Trump and the American owners of our Premier League clubs?

They want to get rid of relegation.

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by Annie Bynnol

[trastrick]

OMG here's Annie with her Trump obsession.

 

5 references to the former President in her  last 6 lines of text.

 

(Does she really have a secret "thing" for him?)