Why Are Gps Paid More Than Electricians?

[cuttsie]

7 minutes ago, crookesey said:

Please define the differences as you perceive them.

Its not hard to work out ,, the working class know who they are , the middle class have a newish car and holiday in Toromolienus , they ar up their own arse , and the uppers think the other two are a set of ***** , which they are for putting up with them .

[SheffieldBricky]

1 minute ago, cuttsie said:

Its not hard to work out ,, the working class know who they are , the middle class have a newish car and holiday in Toromolienus , they ar up their own arse , and the uppers think the other two are a set of ***** , which they are for putting up with them .

A problem is some working class people don't realise what's going on and virtually worship middle class people as paragons of virtue and above us. The jobs they do are usually well paid, for life and have a very good pension. Working class people are lucky to get sick pay and when I was younger none did. No work, no pay.

[crookesey]

3 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

Its not hard to work out ,, the working class know who they are , the middle class have a newish car and holiday in Toromolienus , they ar up their own arse , and the uppers think the other two are a set of ***** , which they are for putting up with them .

I don’t recognise the class system, thanks for your blinkered view.

[hackey lad]

I treat people as people 

[cuttsie]

1 hour ago, crookesey said:

I don’t recognise the class system, thanks for your blinkered view.

no probs I know my place .

[Padders]

2 hours ago, hackey lad said:

I treat people as people 

Same here Hackey.

[hauxwell]

This joke is from Syrup’s Joke thread.  One of the reasons Doctors are paid more. Seriously tho do doctors ever stop training?  Medicines seems to change quickly.  I’m sure surgeons over the past 30 years have also seen changes in how operations are performed.  I would imagine Doctors and surgeons have to keep up with new techniques throughout their careers.

 

Joke

 

A Vauxhall mechanic was servicing the cylinder head from the engine of a Astra when he spotted a well known cardiologist in his shop.

 

The cardiologist was there waiting for the service manager to come and take a look at his car when the mechanic shouted across the garage, "Hey Doc, want to take a look at this?" The cardiologist a bit surprised walked over to where the mechanic was working on the Astra...

 

The Mechanic straightened up, wiped his hands on a rag and asked, "So Doc, look at this engine. I opened its heart, took the valves out repaired or replaced anything damaged, and then put every thing back in, and when I finished, it worked just like brand new.

 

So how is it I make £28,000 a year and you make £500.000 when you and I are basically doing the same work?

 

The cardiologist paused, leaned over, and then whispered to the mechanic....   "Try doing it with the engine running.

[Annie Bynnol]

3 hours ago, SheffieldBricky said:

A problem is some working class people don't realise what's going on and virtually worship middle class people as paragons of virtue and above us. The jobs they do are usually well paid, for life and have a very good pension. Working class people are lucky to get sick pay and when I was younger none did. No work, no pay.

The problem is more to do with not realizing how much has changed over the last 50 years.

These posts about middle/working class divisions are hilarious and should be consigned to  comedy scripts.

For example 'sick pay' -never heard of the much more generous 'earnings related benefits'? 

Jobs for life? Not anymore.

The "very good pension" has been replaced by the vast majority of employers.

 

There is no doubt that your situation at birth will still have the biggest influence on your life but nowhere near as much as it used to be. 

Sheffield had one of the worst education systems in England with far fewer children having access to Grammar schools but offset by Sheffield having a large number of big employers where skills and positions were acquired over decades and pay was higher than average(for men).

This historic "working class" has gone. Replaced by people who will/are/have worked.

Similarly the historic  "suburban semi middle class " has been largely replaced and a far greater blurring around the edges.

These two groups have far more in common than separate them.

 

In 1973, one hundred thousand people in England had an unofficial tag of being 'unemployable' for a whole host of reasons.

That figure has grown massively for a whole host of reasons and to our societies detriment and shame.

 

 

[L00b]

You pay a doctor X for Y minutes’ work, because-

 

(I) it’s taken 7 to 10 years for that doctor to be able to diagnose in Y minutes:  you’re paying for the doctor’s training, not for the doctor’s time (well, the doctor’s time value reflects the training)

 

potentially, it only takes a wrong diagnosis to kill you: you’re paying for the decision-making’s  intrinsic value (same reason the CEO gets paid more than most anyone else in a company: buck stops with him/her in the end)

 

potentially, it only takes a wrong diagnosis for that doctor to be suspended and unable to practice ever again (hence £££££ professional liability insurance, which also needs to be paid for)

 

For the rest, the market decides.

 

Electricians are skilled persons, but e.g. an electrical engineer could do their job and more, so is worth more, yet neither can fix your health -which you likely value higher than your wiring- so a doctor is worth still more.

 

Naturally, the fewer electricians about, the worthier each becomes. Likewise for brain surgeons, relative to GPs.

[crookesey]

2 hours ago, cuttsie said:

no probs I know my place .

My late Victorian born  grandfather had a phrase that could appeal to your good self, it went as follows.

 

”If there’s owt that rankles me it’s two up two down Tory’s and Dore Road socialists”.

 

A man of few words was my grandfather, but most of them were well worth listening to.