Why Are Gps Paid More Than Electricians?

[hackey lad]

29 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

What's your degree in?

Bull  . 

Edited December 19, 2021 by hackey lad

[Anna B]

7 hours ago, El Cid said:

But tuition fees allowed more people to enter university and many never pay the money back.

Indeed it did, and the money isn't paid back because the high paid jobs students expected simply aren't there to pay it back with. 

 Meanwhile we have a dearth of tradespeople because few firms are prepared to offer proper apprenticeships, and pay for them, when they could get already trained people from overseas. That's no longer an option, hence shortages.

[Caswall]

1 hour ago, SheffieldBricky said:

University is a doddle, taking everything into consideration, yes. It's basically reading, talking and remembering stuff. At the end they're very well paid, its a job for life and a good number.

Some university courses are, indeed, a doddle.  Others are not. 

 

Both medicine and dentistry are extremely demanding courses, which require a very high calibre student capable of digesting and retaining vast amounts of study material at a fast rate, for many years.

 

What course did you take that was a doddle?

[Guest sibon]

50 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

What's your degree in?

He has a B.Sh.T in FaceBook studies, from the University of Youtube.

 

Or, was that the other way round? I forget.

[Anna B]

1 hour ago, SheffieldBricky said:

University is a doddle, taking everything into consideration, yes. It's basically reading, talking and remembering stuff. At the end they're very well paid, its a job for life and a good number.

At one time people were selected for University on ability. Only the cleverest people could go, but they came from all walks of life because University education was free (in fact the University paid the students a grant.) It was hard to get in, and hard to pass the exams, but it almost guaranteed you a good career in the field you were interested in. Only about 5% of people went to University.

 

Now virtually anyone can get into University as long as they're prepared to pay the fees. It's now a money making business enterprise, rather than a bastion of academic excellence, and about 50% of people go.

To accommodate the excess students we now have so called 'Micky Mouse' degrees, poor quality with little academic rigour, and little hope of securing a good job, but they bring in the dosh. Many young people who don't know what they want to do are prepared to take on just about any subject just to get a degree that will be of no use to them, but they think it has more kudos than an apprenticeship.

 

Ironically, as a consequence, more 'ordinary' jobs now require degrees, not necessary but because they can, however this is not reflected in the pay and excludes many capable people without degrees who would arguably be more capable of doing it. 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Anna B

[harvey19]

28 minutes ago, Anna B said:

At one time people were selected for University on ability. Only the cleverest people could go, but they came from all walks of life because University education was free (in fact the University paid the students a grant.) It was hard to get in, and hard to pass the exams, but it almost guaranteed you a good career in the field you were interested in. Only about 5% of people went to University.

 

Now virtually anyone can get into University as long as they're prepared to pay the fees. It's now a money making business enterprise, rather than a bastion of academic excellence, and about 50% of people go.

To accommodate the excess students we now have so called 'Micky Mouse' degrees, poor quality with little academic rigour, and little hope of securing a good job, but they bring in the dosh. Many young people who don't know what they want to do are prepared to take on just about any subject just to get a degree that will be of no use to them, but they think it has more kudos than an apprenticeship.

 

Ironically, as a consequence, more 'ordinary' jobs now require degrees, not necessary but because they can, however this is not reflected in the pay and excludes many capable people without degrees who would arguably be more capable of doing it. 

I wonder if we reclassified trades as degrees would that be the way forward.

A trade takes as long as a degree to learn  in some cases.

Degrees in subjects which need the cleverest people to qualify in and are in subjects necessary to the country could be given additional recognition.

 

[SheffieldBricky]

1 hour ago, Bargepole23 said:

What's your degree in?

Creative Writing

[lindylou53]

1 hour ago, Bargepole23 said:

What's your degree in?

Not been answered yet...

[SheffieldBricky]

56 minutes ago, sibon said:

He has a B.Sh.T in FaceBook studies, from the University of Youtube.

 

Or, was that the other way round? I forget.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

[SheffieldBricky]

12 minutes ago, lindylou53 said:

Not been answered yet...

I'm not telling you.

 

The whole point of this was to make the point that doctors aren't special they're all privileged people. It may be difficult to become a doctor but once there what a job they have.