Charging By Miles Travelled-How Long Before That Happens?

[Janus]

19 hours ago, Rockers rule said:

 And isn't any 'black hole' of their own making ?  ??????

Some cars pay zero tax,

some pay £20,

some pay £30

while the rest of us who use the same roads pay higher premiums of the VED depending on cc  .

 

Well they are the ones making the decissions. 

 

In the 50s and 60s  there would have been much less revenue to milk from the motorists-road tax ,petrol revenue etc. There were obviously nowhere near the amount of cars on the road back then. Simple economics says cut your cloth to suit. The government are probably realising just how much they have been relying on the humble motorists.

[Annie Bynnol]

My  error regarding VAT on grown ups shoes.

 

Is it not time to end this myth of the 'humble motorist'. The stereotype generated by the manufacturers and car associations.

In conjures up a 'neverland' of a happy smiling heroic driver on empty roads where the traffic lights are always green and happy admiring smiling people line the roads.

A vehicle is a mechanical object which has a function. 

A function it can never perform in isolation or without impact on other users.

 

Why not the 'humble lorry driver'? The 'humble cyclist'? The 'humble delivery van driver'? The 'humble pedestrian'?

The 'humble resident'? The 'humble bus diver and passengers'? The 'humble taxi driver' etc. We all pay.

 

 

[Janus]

24 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

 

Is it not time to end this myth of the 'humble motorist'. The stereotype generated by the manufacturers and car associations.

In conjures up a 'neverland' of a happy smiling heroic driver on empty roads where the traffic lights are always green and happy admiring smiling people line the roads.

A vehicle is a mechanical object which has a function. 

A function it can never perform in isolation or without impact on other users.

 

Why not the 'humble lorry driver'? The 'humble cyclist'? The 'humble delivery van driver'? The 'humble pedestrian'?

The 'humble resident'? The 'humble bus diver and passengers'? The 'humble taxi driver' etc. We all pay.

But in that line of debate most functions  can never perform in isolation or without impact on other users-choosing whether  to eat beef or not.Re cows farting all day and releasing methane.

 

Maybe it is about perspective, if we consider the vast amount of polution that aircraft emit. We have seen how many land and take-off a just one main airport in a few minutes. It is constant. 

 

My point is that MPs are concerned about a 30 odd billion  black hole. THEY would be telling us to cut our cloth to suit if we were struggling. 

 

If the gov decided to vastly increase the tax on flying when we have say 95% all electric vehicles, would that be the right thing to do? It would bring in some revenue and most importantly it would reduce Co2.

[rudds1]

5 hours ago, geared said:

Pay per mile has never been a workable solution, there's always been some enormous hole in proposal that will cause far more harm than good.

 

Usually it's something like charging more for certain roads than others, which seems like a good idea, but in reality it'll mean lots more people charging around on the 'cheaper' roads, many of which aren't really suitable for large amounts of traffic.

 

There's also the very obvious question of how much this scheme will cost to implement and run, will it actually ever make money or just continually waste what it earns?

The obvious and easy solution is to tax EV's on things like their initial cost or their weight, neither of which will really cost anything to implement.

Don’t ev get some sort of tax if they cost over £40000 list price for first 5 years ?

[Bargepole23]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Electric vehicles should pay the same road tax as petrol and diesel vehicles then there would be no need to consider charging by miles to raise revenue.  I will just add they should have a tax for cycle road users especially now they are causing havoc on electric powered bikes.  

Havoc? Where? The city is jam packed with cars but it's electric bikes causing havoc? OK.

Edited February 5, 2022 by Bargepole23

[fools]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Electric vehicles should pay the same road tax as petrol and diesel vehicles then there would be no need to consider charging by miles to raise revenue. 

There's this little matter of fuel duty.

 

They're unlikely to resist the opportunity for a little more oppressive state intrusion and control.

Edited February 5, 2022 by fools

[The Joker]

2 hours ago, West 77 said:

Electric vehicles should pay the same road tax as petrol and diesel vehicles then there would be no need to consider charging by miles to raise revenue.  I will just add they should have a tax for cycle road users especially now they are causing havoc on electric powered bikes.  

I appreciate your policy is rectally-derived, but petrol and diesel vehicles don’t pay “the same” road tax.

 

[carosio]

The cynic would say that they will charge by the mile and retain some form of excise duty (road tax).

[cgksheff]

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Edited February 6, 2022 by cgksheff

[Anna B]

Why is it always the little man who is hardest hit? He will be the one whose life will be reduced because he cannot afford to pay. I'll believe 'we're all in this together' when private jets flying everywhere and doing far more harm per capita are banned, but here's betting they never will be.