Ukraine: Invasion Imminent?

[hackey lad]

9 minutes ago, melthebell said:

From the 6th of January

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59878710

Cheers 

[altus]

3 hours ago, Padders said:

Morning Anna, hope your keeping well.

I actually sympathize with Mr. Putin.

NATO is creeping ever closer to Russian borders, and he doesn't like it...

If America gives assurances that NATO will stop expanding, the problem will be solved.....

But they won't!

Remember back in the 50s when Kruschev wanted to base weapons in Cuba, Kennedy was prepared to start World War 3.

Thankfully Russia saw sense and pulled back.

 

After the break-up of the Soviet Union, separatists in Georgia were supported by Russia (including militarily). That made the former Warsaw pact countries and especially the newly independent Baltic states realise Russia had the ability and potentially inclination to walk in any time they liked and there was little they could do about it. The obvious way of discouraging Russia from doing that was to join NATO. So, NATO hasn't been "creeping ever closer to Russian borders", Russia's neighbours have been knocking on NATO's door pleading to be allowed to join.

 

If Putin wants to stop Russia's neighbours forming military alliances with the west, he needs to recognise their full independence. If he wants to stop his neighbours from wanting to join NATO he need to guarantee he will not interfere in their internal affairs - including not interfering in their elections. His attempts to rebuild the Soviet Union (without the communism) have been the exact opposite of that.

[cuttsie]

19 minutes ago, Dromedary said:

From what I can gather with the recent shortages and price hikes some of it is down down to extra and new demand from countries outside Europe so it not going to be a downward slide anytime soon. Any transition is way off. I agree though that there is not enough risk of war now and think its just all posturing with Russia = Bad and Nato = Good. 

 

So much for the idea that the EU are peacekeepers, the EU would do well to keep their noses out but like others are just itching for a war with Russia.

Any one itching for a war with Russia or China must be daft , They have nut cases in charge who will have no problem pressing buttons , And that is the end of life on Earth as we know it .

[PRESLEY]

2 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

Any one itching for a war with Russia or China must be daft , They have nut cases in charge who will have no problem pressing buttons , And that is the end of life on Earth as we know it .

So Charlton Heston will be proved right.  I hope the Apes treat us better than the film.  

[Dromedary]

7 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

Any one itching for a war with Russia or China must be daft , They have nut cases in charge who will have no problem pressing buttons , And that is the end of life on Earth as we know it .

To be honest I don't think it would go Nuclear and be more tactically ground based as that would be time consuming and provide plenty of chaos everywhere.

[ab6262]

the Ukraine was part of Russia for hundreds of years so dont see the problem, putin will do what he wants and the west no matter how many sanctions they impose wont change a thing.

[ECCOnoob]

16 minutes ago, ab6262 said:

the Ukraine was part of Russia for hundreds of years so dont see the problem, putin will do what he wants and the west no matter how many sanctions they impose wont change a thing.

England was ruled by the French and Vikings for many years.  Does not mean we are going to suddenly lie back and take it if France or Norway suddenly invaded tomorrow  and took control.    What they WERE and what they ARE now are very different. 

 

They fought for their independence and why should they or their allies give in to bullying behaviour from Putin.  Imagine the sort of message that would give to other similar tyrants on this planet.  

 

The days of invading and pillaging being accepted are long gone.  

Edited February 12, 2022 by ECCOnoob

[The_DADDY]

2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

England was ruled by the French and Vikings for many years.  Does not mean we are going to suddenly lie back and take it if France or Norway suddenly invaded tomorrow  and took control.  

Russia has no interest in invading the Ukraine. If they did then it would have happened long ago. 

It's more western smoke and mirrors. 

NATO and America are the problem. 

[Anna B]

1 hour ago, cuttsie said:

Any one itching for a war with Russia or China must be daft , They have nut cases in charge who will have no problem pressing buttons , And that is the end of life on Earth as we know it .

I so hope you're wrong.

 

I remember the Russians invading Afghanistan in the 80's with Cruse missiles flying all over the place. It was terrifying. 

I understand strong sanctions have been threatened if Putin goes in, so don't think there is much appetite for World war 3.

 

I've never understood why countries can't all cooperate together and live in peace.... 

Edited February 12, 2022 by Anna B

[Kidorry]

1 hour ago, altus said:

After the break-up of the Soviet Union, separatists in Georgia were supported by Russia (including militarily). That made the former Warsaw pact countries and especially the newly independent Baltic states realise Russia had the ability and potentially inclination to walk in any time they liked and there was little they could do about it. The obvious way of discouraging Russia from doing that was to join NATO. So, NATO hasn't been "creeping ever closer to Russian borders", Russia's neighbours have been knocking on NATO's door pleading to be allowed to join.

 

If Putin wants to stop Russia's neighbours forming military alliances with the west, he needs to recognise their full independence. If he wants to stop his neighbours from wanting to join NATO he need to guarantee he will not interfere in their internal affairs - including not interfering in their elections. His attempts to rebuild the Soviet Union (without the communism) have been the exact opposite of that.

Spot on.