Ukraine: Invasion Imminent?

[Jack Grey]

22 minutes ago, Dromedary said:

I wonder who on this forum actually supports Putin and his actions?

I dont support his actions but i wish our government had been nicer to him

 

I think the world has backed a rabid dog into a corner and now its biting back

[L00b]

4 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

I dont support his actions but i wish our government had been nicer to him

How much nicer?
 

I mean, London has been the Londongrad Laudromat for years and longer, politicians have been taking Russian bribes by the millions and gave Putin Brexit to destabilise the EU, and the UK has just given Putin and his oligarchs a 30 day reprieve from the sanctions, plenty long enough to exfiltrate their assets.

[L00b]

7 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

I think the world has backed a rabid dog into a corner and now its biting back

I’m failing to see how the world backed Putin into a corner. Perhaps you can expand?

[SheffieldBricky]

3 minutes ago, HumbleNarrator said:

I can't help being slightly concerned about Latvia; despite being a NATO member I'm not 100% convinced that Joe Biden (lets face it, the US leads NATO) has the balls to initiate article 5 for  the sake of Latvia.

 

Putin has no intension, whatsoever, of expanding this war outside of Ukraine. Mainly because he would lose if America became involved. He will go as far as the Polish border to stop the arms coming in. By then though it will probably be all over.

[Mister M]

42 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

“Succour “  Just saying 😃

Thanks Hacks, it's been a long day!

[banjodeano]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

I’m failing to see how the world backed Putin into a corner. Perhaps you can expand?

wasnt Russia promised that if the Berlin wall came down then part of the agreement was the west wouldnt encroach one inch towards Russia, but slowly the west has been creeping towards their borders, Perhaps Putin felt he had to make a stand  and may have thought he was being backed into a corner?

[L00b]

10 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

wasnt Russia promised that if the Berlin wall came down then part of the agreement was the west wouldnt encroach one inch towards Russia, but slowly the west has been creeping towards their borders, Perhaps Putin felt he had to make a stand  and may have thought he was being backed into a corner?

Doesn’t explain how Putin, or Russia for that matter, were “backed into a corner”.
 

What corner?

 

The Berlin Wall came down in 1989. Russia became a democratic country in 1993.

 

NATO membership, EU membership, NAFTA membership, WTO membership…all of these memberships, and most such other international ‘clubs’, are accessive: democratic countries are free to seek them or not.

 

So, are you saying that ex-USSR countries, whence they became democracies themselves, should not have sought any such memberships, in case they upset the elected President of another democratic country?

 

Is that your point?

 

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by L00b

[melthebell]

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[Litotes]

1 hour ago, Dromedary said:

I wonder who on this forum actually supports Putin and his actions?

I asked that and was shouted down by those who support the war criminal Putin.

14 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

wasnt Russia promised that if the Berlin wall came down then part of the agreement was the west wouldnt encroach one inch towards Russia, but slowly the west has been creeping towards their borders, Perhaps Putin felt he had to make a stand  and may have thought he was being backed into a corner?

If the east wants to move west, then isn't it their democratic right to choose to do so?

[banjodeano]

1 minute ago, L00b said:

Doesn’t explain how Putin, or Russia for that matter, were “backed into a corner”.
 

What corner?

 

NATO membership, EU membership, NAFTA membership, WTO membership…all of these memberships and most others, are accessive: democratic countries are free to seek them or not.

 

So, are you saying that ex-USSR democratic countries should not have sought any such memberships, in case they upset the elected President of another democratic country?

 

Is that your point?

 

 

Im not saying anything, im just saying that is a view i have heard about how all this has escalated...

as i said, i understand Russia was given these assurances during the collapse of the USSR that their borders wouldnt be encroached upon by such countries joining nato etc, and they have...

2 minutes ago, Litotes said:

I asked that and was shouted down by those who support the war criminal Putin.

If the east wants to move west, then isn't it their democratic right to choose to do so?

I am not so sure, the Former USSR were given assurances that they wouldnt.... or so i believe, but  i stand to be corrected