crookesey Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Russians don’t understand losing, sine the communists took over they have beaten the might of Nazi Germany, created the Soviet Union and flexed their muscles against the west at every opportunity. However things are about to change, they fooled the Russian people when the Soviet Union collapsed, who never saw this as a defeat, Putin has to all but obliterate the Ukraine in order to win this one, is the west going to let him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dromedary Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 5 hours ago, crookesey said: ..... Putin has to all but obliterate the Ukraine in order to win this one, is the west going to let him? In all probability... yes. It sounds harsh but this is a bit like a civil war in that its Russians fighting Russians. Even though Ukraine is independent Putin and many other Russians (mainly old religious ones) don't see it that way. Russia's neighbour Belarus is a classic example of that thinking as although they are also a sovereign nation they are as corrupt as hell and worship all that Putin does hence they are eager to support Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padders Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 8 hours ago, rogets said: Provided it is safe to do so why not set a few nukes off? No need to set nukes off... Why doesn't someone (Say USA) pay a terrorist organisation a considerable amount of Dollar's to fly a plane into the Kremlin when Mr. Putin is having a meeting...Job done. (think 9/11) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidorry Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 At last made contact with relatives in Mariupol and all is O.K. They are sleeping in their car in an underground car park and coming out to shop and cook food on an open fire in the large courtyard. It is hard but they are still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cressida Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kidorry said: At last made contact with relatives in Mariupol and all is O.K. They are sleeping in their car in an underground car park and coming out to shop and cook food on an open fire in the large courtyard. It is hard but they are still here. That's good news, did you read about the eleven year old boy who went to Slovakia on his own! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60659365 Edited March 8, 2022 by cressida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Findlay Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Kidorry, glad to hear your relatives are well. It must be extremely difficult for them hearing that basic services like electricity and water are either in short supply or cut off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidorry Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Yes there is no gas ,water or sanitation working at the moment. There must be electric for them to send an e-mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 6 hours ago, crookesey said: Russians don’t understand losing, since the communists took over they have beaten the might of Nazi Germany, created the Soviet Union and flexed their muscles against the west at every opportunity. However things are about to change, they fooled the Russian people when the Soviet Union collapsed, who never saw this as a defeat, Putin has to all but obliterate the Ukraine in order to win this one, is the west going to let him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Dromedary said: In all probability... yes. It sounds harsh but this is a bit like a civil war in that its Russians fighting Russians. Even though Ukraine is independent Putin and many other Russians (mainly old religious ones) don't see it that way. Russia's neighbour Belarus is a classic example of that thinking as although they are also a sovereign nation they are as corrupt as hell and worship all that Putin does hence they are eager to support Russia. Do you think the people are corrupt, or just the ones in charge? I believe a lot of ordinary Russian people have been totally disillusioned since the fall of communism to see the rise of the oligarchs, corruption and malfeasance endemic at the top. I think a lot of them want to go back to the old way of life they used to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 35 minutes ago, Anna B said: Do you think the people are corrupt, or just the ones in charge? I believe a lot of ordinary Russian people have been totally disillusioned since the fall of communism to see the rise of the oligarchs, corruption and malfeasance endemic at the top. I think a lot of them want to go back to the old way of life they used to know. Depends on the situation, human beings are selfish by nature and can be corrupted under certain circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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