Ukraine: Invasion Imminent?

[trastrick]

11 minutes ago, Hotmale 1954 said:

I've only just started reading this Thread, and have hindsight on hundreds of 'They will' They Won't' comments.

'Lefties' have been mostly correct by quite a huge margin, but 'Republicans' 🤣 have been found wanting. Do you ever read, watch, support or slightly believe, ANYTHING  that doesn't come from a Right Wing, ultra biased source?

In my experience, if it's a Right Wing Media view, it's highly probable that it's wrong.

Most British newspapers are Right Wing (Murdoch's) and spread evermore increasing bile.

Stop watching Fox News and reading 'The Sun' and you may become more reasonable.

Every post is about as wrong as it can get, from a Lefty {and Moderate and Centrist} point of view.

I do left and I do moderate.

Republicans just do Right. and extreme Right.

I'm not a Republican, so I must be a Commie.

My opinions are my own.

 

I don't get my opinions from the Left or Right MSM

 

I respond to world news, as it happens, not after I've read the conventional wisdom, spin, and latest talking points, of one side or the other.

 

I believe I quote far more from NYT, Wash. Post, CNN, Guardian, BBC than I do from Fox. 

 

Your last line is nonsensical. 

 

 

 

[Hotmale 1954]

On 22/02/2022 at 20:13, L00b said:

Don’t know why you’d want still more Russian propaganda regurgitated by the rezident Putin stooge, tbh.

 

Anyone interested in real-time chronicling not provided by Russia Today or Telegram can point their Twitter to @MarQs__

Is Telegram where the Putin sympathisers are getting their information from?

I'm trying to fined the source of all the crip some people are believing and spreading around.

[altus]

33 minutes ago, trastrick said:

If Scotland, Wales, and Ireland were to seek independence from Her Majesty's United Kingdom, a la Ukraine, what would be your reaction?

Ireland have been independent "from Her Majesty's United Kingdom" since 1922.

 

A better comparison would be what if a foreign country (UK) did not support the independence of a country (RoI) supporting a separatist enclave of people many of whom they'd previously moved to that country (Ulster Scots in NI) and then decided to invade and reoccupy the rest of that country.

 

That is essentially what Russia has done with Ukraine. Given all the other formerly Soviet states that also have enclaves of Russian/Russia aligned people supported by Russia (Moldova with Transnistria, similar areas in the Baltic states), it's no surprise that they are nervous about Putin's stated aim of rebuilding the Russian Empire.

[Hotmale 1954]

On 24/02/2022 at 13:46, trastrick said:

Biden is asking Ukrainians to do his fighting for him, and basically using them as cannon fodder, against a nuclear power with superior military might.

 

When he won't send his own troops to fight his own enemy, Putin.

 

The Ukraine's best interest is to make a deal with the Russians, It's not like they are strangers,

 

Not sacrifice themselves to help Biden's flagging popularity polls.

 

Major blunder, more more than that, sick, dangerous, and cowardly.

 

The needless death count should be laid at his door!

 

Yes. he should be removed.

 

Before the whole of Eastern Europe, the Middle East and South East Asia blows up!

 

Possible War Criminal charges here.

Why the Hell do you bring Biden in to every single problem?

Do you think for one minute that anyone in Ukraine or Russia gives a flying flamingo about America, Trump, or Biden?

Republicans in the US care only about the US. ........... America first. MAGA.

If you must comment about Ukraine v Russia, please contain it to Russia v Ukraine.

It has nob all to do with America's President.

Any right thinking Leader should do all they can to help ANY oppressed country

The World doesn't need Republican back stabbing at this time.

We need unity against Putin, so get off Biden and his supporters {most of America's} backs.

Support Ukraine by any means possible.

Slava Ukraine.

Have you not noticed?

No other nation has sent in troops or offensive weaponry to Ukraine.

Sleepy Joe's fault I suppose? 

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Edited May 8, 2022 by Hotmale 1954

[Hotmale 1954]

On 24/02/2022 at 13:47, melthebell said:

Oh give over with yer propaganda

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[Annie Bynnol]

17 minutes ago, trastrick said:

The World comprises many ideologies. philosophies and religions. Christian, Islam, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh and Jewish. And secularists Communists, Atheists, Agnostics.

 

They all believe their particular way to live, and their view of the World, is the correct one. They have their bibles, korans, torahs, and manifestos.

 

At any given time, they are at war with each other. They describe their enemies, as  Godless, Infidels, heretics, blasphemers, unenlightened, materialists and cults.

 

Like many other animals we share the planet with, "humans are social animals, and not very well equipped to live a life of solitude. We bond socially with like-minded people forming groups. Even if we have a falling out with another member, the powerful, instinctive desire to belong to the tribe means we're unlikely to leave or join another group" - (Medium)

 

At the extremes you have lockstep lemmings, ants and bees on the one hand and solo bears, rhinos, leopards on the other. They all survive, one way or the other.

 

If we are to understand amd deal with the world, as it is, we cannot ignore the fact that vast majority disagree with our own particular tribal viewpoint, especially if it is always expressed as "morally superior".

 

Understanding each viewpoint and examining the motivations of others, even our enemies, is not tantamount to supporting them. It is actually a way to formulate your defense against them. Calling them names is unhelpful, and counter productive.

 

An Einstein 'thought experiment'.

 

If Scotland, Wales, and Ireland were to seek independence from Her Majesty's United Kingdom, a la Ukraine, what would be your reaction?

 

And, if they sought the military support of say, Russia, China, Cuba, or North Korea to ensure their independence? Russian and Chinese ships unloading missiles in Glasgow, Dublin and Cardiff?

 

Just food for thought!

 

 

 

 

Einstein 'thought experiment'  do not apply to politics.

 

Ireland is already an independent country. 

In Scotland, Wales millions want independence/devolution for their countries, but they are a minority.

Referenda have already taken place in Wales and Scotland and may well take place again on independence/devolution.

In England there are only opinion polls.

Northern Ireland has a complex, part voluntary part legal agreement involving the Irish and UK Governments and the political parties in Northern Ireland. 

Ireland and the UK have cooperate on many things including arresting Americans regarded as terrorists by both countries.

 

Ukraine is not seeking independence from Russia- it has been an independent country since 1991.

Ukraine is trying to retain its independence.

 

 

 

 

[trastrick]

5 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Einstein 'thought experiment'  do not apply to politics.

 

Ireland is already an independent country. 

In Scotland, Wales millions want independence/devolution for their countries, but they are a minority.

Referenda have already taken place in Wales and Scotland and may well take place again on independence/devolution.

In England there are only opinion polls.

Northern Ireland has a complex, part voluntary part legal agreement involving the Irish and UK Governments and the political parties in Northern Ireland. 

Ireland and the UK have cooperate on many things including arresting Americans regarded as terrorists by both countries.

 

Ukraine is not seeking independence from Russia- it has been an independent country since 1991.

Ukraine is trying to retain its independence.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the response.

 

How about the $64,000 question?

 

(The second part of the question?)

[Hotmale 1954]

On 24/02/2022 at 17:47, altus said:

I think Bricky's getting his news from rt.com.

Err, no. He was getting his news from American Republican  sources.

You can tell it easily.

Biden. MSM. etc, etc, etc.

All Covid deniers, Putin sympathisers, and BLM etc, all read the same shiite from the same source.

A wrong one.

[trastrick]

45 minutes ago, Hotmale 1954 said:

Why the Hell do you bring Biden in to every single problem?

Do you think for one minute that anyone in Ukraine or Russia gives a flying flamingo about America, Trump, or Biden?

Republicans in the US care only about the US. ........... America first. MAGA.

If you must comment about Ukraine v Russia, please contain it to Russia v Ukraine.

It has nob all to do with America's President.

Any right thinking Leader should do all they can to help ANY oppressed country

The World doesn't need Republican back stabbing at this time.

We need unity against Putin, so get off Biden and his supporters {most of America's} backs.

Support Ukraine by any means possible.

Slava Ukraine.

Have you not noticed?

No other nation has sent in troops or offensive weaponry to Ukraine.

Sleepy Joe's fault I suppose? 

 

Well, it (the reference to Biden) has something to do with him being the Leader of the Free world, an all that!  

 

He also happens to run the U.S., the only country that has the power to confront the bully with force.

 

I'm actually with YOU on the 'Support Ukraine by ANY MEANS', though!

 

Start by cutting off Putin's sales of Fossil Fuels to to Europe, and sanctioning those countries that refuse. They made a Deal with the Devil! Greta would be shocked, shocked, I say! 

 

It's they who are funding Putin's invasion.

 

In effect, the West is arming both sides. And as usual it's the poor civilians that are paying the price.

 

Slava Ukraine!

 

 

 

 

Edited May 8, 2022 by trastrick

[Hotmale 1954]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

My opinions are my own.

 

I don't get my opinions from the Left or Right MSM

 

I respond to world news, as it happens, not after I've read the conventional wisdom, spin, and latest talking points, of one side or the other.

 

I believe I quote far more from NYT, Wash. Post, CNN, Guardian, BBC than I do from Fox. 

 

Your last line is nonsensical. 

 

 

 

Fox News and The Hill.

Your early posts on this thread were          ........... there won't be a war.

Anti Biden. Anti Hunter Biden.

 The more contentious crap you posted was from  Fox and The Hill.

Nothing to do with the war, but all to demean Democrats, who haven't invaded Ukraine.