Magilla Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, makapaka said: I don’t think you know what diplomacy means. It seems that I managed to understand Zelenski's version of it just fine: Ukraine rules out giving Russia land in ceasefire deal: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61518209 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Magilla said: It seems that I managed to understand Zelenski's version of it just fine: Ukraine rules out giving Russia land in ceasefire deal: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61518209 Of course he does But he's calling for a negotiated settlement. Hint: Negotiations start with hard claims and bargaining chips, that are traded as a compromise is reached. It's part of the game. The first step. "Ukraine’s president has said the war can only be resolved through diplomacy, despite the current suspension of negotiations. “Discussions between Ukraine and Russia will undoubtedly take place,” Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in an interview with a Ukrainian television channel. “Under what format I don’t know – with intermediaries, without them, in a broader group, at the presidential level. But the war will be bloody, there will be fighting and will only definitively end through diplomacy.” He added: “There are things that can only be reached at the negotiating table. We want everything to return [to as it was before] but Russia does not want that,” he said". Note he said "we want" everything to return" to normal, but he did NOT say he would NOT ACCEPT any other outcome. (Otherwise there's no point in negotiating) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. If only Lavrov and all others would follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, L00b said: If only Lavrov and all others would follow suit. Has anybody heard anything of Lavrov since his statements forced Putin to very publicly apologise to Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyhorse Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 hours ago, L00b said: Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. If only Lavrov and all others would follow suit. Quite a powerful statement from a diplomat I thought... Russia is not a happy ship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, altus said: Has anybody heard anything of Lavrov since his statements forced Putin to very publicly apologise to Israel? That apology to Israel was around 5 May. Lavrov was quoted by Reuters on 17 May, Finland and Sweden’s NATO accession made no difference. He’s still around, and still trotting out the Kremlin propaganda. 4 minutes ago, crazyhorse said: Quite a powerful statement from a diplomat I thought... Russia is not a happy ship... Well, that was a given… 😳✊🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 US would defend Taiwan if attacked by China, says Joe Biden - The Guardian "President says US’s responsibility to protect island is ‘even stronger’ after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine". What do you think? Would you support the U.S.? Would you support the U.K. joining in a war against China over Taiwan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Seems like they need to muzzle Biden like they did Trump, sometimes he seems worse for saying things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim117 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Maybe Biden is making clear what his position is. American ambiguity certainly didn’t deter Putins invasion of Crimea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 An update. The question I raised above, on Biden's statement yesterday, that he would intervene militarily to defend Taiwan, if attacked, was rendered moot. His handler's have now walked back his stated position. https://www.msn.com/en-xl/northamerica/top-stories/biden-s-latest-taiwan-gaffe-stokes-tensions-with-beijing/ar-AAXE0lP Wich begs the old question. Just who is running things at the White House? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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