ECCOnoob Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, LovePotion said: There's not much left in the city centre to visit, no Debenham's no John Lewis, no Vodafone, no Carphone Warehouse, no proper Argos, no TJ Hughes, no art galleries. If Sheffield had the same calibre of shops that other cities like Birmingham have, and had a House Of Fraser, Van Mildert, LK Bennet, Russell & Bromley, Matalan, Leon Restaurant, Byron Burger, John Lewis, Debenhams, New Look etc, then a city clipper might be viable. The council need to open up Leopold Street & Pinstone Street for buses and that might solve the problem the council have stupidly created. Debenhams went into administration... TJ Hughes went into administration.... Van Mildert is owned by Sports Direct... LK Bennett went into administration and is now nothing more than a concession... Byron burger went into administration... House of Fraser went into administration and even had to close it's Oxford Street and Leeds branches. John Lewis very publicly set out their losses in Sheffield and many other stores around the country including it's brand new shiny Birmingham branch. We already have a Matalan less than one mile outside the city centre boundary. Argos is in Sainsbury's and is purposely designed with the needs and facilities for its modern day customer base. We have have 5 different art galleries within the city centre New Look is not closed down it is just moved to a new unit on the Moor..... Why don't you actually go into the city centre and take a look at what actually is there and what is being developed and built right now. From your posts you seem to be totally unaware and at least 5 years out of date. Now, whilst I agree with the point you are making regarding the opening of certain specific streets, I certainly do not agree that the fundamental viability of this clipper bus hinge upon long defunct businesses and loss making retail stores. As I've said on other threads, the purpose of city centres is dramatically changing and any viability of the free bus service needs to be adapted to serve the new regime of leisure, social residential and let's face it predominantly student heavy and young professional economies. It's about providing to the future generations not harping on about the past. Edited March 30, 2022 by ECCOnoob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Rickshaws for hire. Other cities have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Anna B said: Rickshaws for hire. Other cities have them. Which ones - in the UK?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 No no no comparisons to other cities apparently arent allowed. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, HeHasRisen said: No no no comparisons to other cities apparently arent allowed. Ever. Why? And my question to Anna still applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ01 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 13 hours ago, ECCOnoob said: Debenhams went into administration... TJ Hughes went into administration.... Van Mildert is owned by Sports Direct... LK Bennett went into administration and is now nothing more than a concession... Byron burger went into administration... House of Fraser went into administration and even had to close it's Oxford Street and Leeds branches. John Lewis very publicly set out their losses in Sheffield and many other stores around the country including it's brand new shiny Birmingham branch. We already have a Matalan less than one mile outside the city centre boundary. Argos is in Sainsbury's and is purposely designed with the needs and facilities for its modern day customer base. We have have 5 different art galleries within the city centre New Look is not closed down it is just moved to a new unit on the Moor..... Apart from that, LovePot made a perfectly valid point....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, RollingJ said: Why? And my question to Anna still applies. It wasnt directed at you, dont worry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest busdriver1 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 The thinking behind the Freebee was that data gathering had shown that the amount of concessionary pass holders making short trips within the city centre environs was costing more to fund than providing a free bus for them so the decision was made to fund the free bus instead. It did also have fares chargeable. The complete route had 4 fare stages and the first 4 were free to travel. If however you stayed on and went to a fifth (i.e. stage 1 AGAIN) a flat fare of £1 was payable, some drivers did enforce this and it did cut down the amount of undesirables travelling. The city clipper was never intended to be free but because SYPTE bought buses that were not legally allowed to operate in the UK the only option open was to run them free getting round that issue. They did appeal and managed to get them type approved and an attempt was made to then charge fares but the trend had been set and the good folks of Sheffield let their feeling be known in true fashion. The original bendybuses were not a government trial as has been suggested elsewhere but a straightforward challenge to the Traffic commissioners who at the time still held some powers in the area and had used them on more than one occasion to remove large numbers of buses off the road due to their very poor condition. Not surprisingly, shortly after the introduction of these buses a visit followed and many buses were issued with immediate prohibitions. Dont poke the Lion -- HE WILL BITE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 On 30/03/2022 at 22:07, LovePotion said: The council need to open up Leopold Street & Pinstone Street for buses and that might solve the problem the council have stupidly created. What would that actually achieve? Buses ran down those streets as recently as the start of the pandemic, and save for co-op/maplin/Panasonic (which would all have closed now anyway because the block is being redeveloped) opposite, Peace Gardens, most of the shops & bars along Leopold/Pinstone Streets remain and seem about as busy as they ever where? You could well argue the shops along Pinstone Street aren't much to write home about, but if the buses used to run down there regularly as recently as the start of the pandemic, then clearly there weren't doing anything to improve it's fortunes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingJ Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 @AndrewC- the problem is not as you say, really. The issue is that the services which used to run Leopold St/Pinstone St. are now routed via Arundel Gate with no shelters and inadequate room - get a breakdown/timing point bus on there and everything comes to a stop, plus, if you are waiting in inclement weather, it certainly isn't a nice environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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