The Moor

[HeHasRisen]

Just now, lazarus said:

There’s plenty of those in the Town Hall.

Bzzzzzz! Repetition! See post 15

[hackey lad]

1 hour ago, HeHasRisen said:

Bzzzzzz! Repetition! See post 15

Bzzzzzz  ! Repetition  ! See all your posts 

[HeHasRisen]

5 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Bzzzzzz  ! Repetition  ! See all your posts 

Bzzzzzz! Repetition! See post 15

[cuttsie]

On 07/04/2022 at 14:57, Mister M said:

It's when there's bargains to be had. 

I made the mistake of going to Tescos on the Wicker on Sunday a few years ago near closing time, the people hovering around and scrapping for bargains put me mind of a bunch of vultures

Some people have to do it to survive .

[Mister M]

31 minutes ago, cuttsie said:

Some people have to do it to survive .

Some people have do lots of things to survive, but not everyone loses all their social graces in the pursuit of survival.

[cuttsie]

22 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Some people have do lots of things to survive, but not everyone loses all their social graces in the pursuit of survival.

1. Social graces not come into it when you are on the bottom rung , feeding your kids becomes the no one goal .

[crookesey]

12 hours ago, cuttsie said:

1. Social graces not come into it when you are on the bottom rung , feeding your kids becomes the no one goal .

I recall my grandmother dealing with market traders that treated her well during the General Strike, just a few bits of free kindness placed quickly into her shopping bag was repaid with a lifetime of respect.

[lazarus]

18 hours ago, HeHasRisen said:

Bzzzzzz! Repetition! See post 15

Oh dear! I’ve committed an offence,I’ll write 500 lines, I must read each and every post.

[Stannington Lad]

On 07/04/2022 at 13:43, crookesey said:

Had to go into the CC this morning and decided to walk up The Moor. It was very clean and rubbish free, trading shops looked interesting, the closed ones are sad, but sad can turn to happy. Only a couple of young rough sleepers begging, no tramps, but that’s it there was zero going on, the market stalls were clean and stocked, but needed something else, that being an atmosphere, someone shouting the odds from their stall, stall owners laughing and joking between themselves and the public, something to make folk like me want to stay and have a look around which I didn’t.

 

All of this could be sorted, why not give it a try?

 

 

I have mixed feelings about The Moor.  It all looks a bit samey to me - concrete slabs and glass, I think it lacks character somewhat although I do like the new market.  It will be interesting to see what the new triangle between the town hall, City Hall and Charter Square will look like once it's finished. Personally,  I'm not a fan of excessive pedestrianised areas and for me one of the bigger issues for the CC is that it's far too sprawling, it takes ages to get anywhere. Wilkinson's is about the only shop in the old market area keeping the area alive, which is sad considering the amount of old buildings there but now the focus has moved to the other side of the CC and it doesn't seem to fit. Interesting to hear talk of a new arena to be built on Pond Street bus station but there really isn't much around there. Unlike most cities Sheffield train station is nowhere near the main shopping area and that's a problem.  For me, Sheffield really needs something like a metro system linking the outlaying regions. The problem with that are the amount of elevations in Sheffield but the tram seems to cope without too much difficulty. Of course it'll never happen. 

[ECCOnoob]

3 hours ago, Stannington Lad said:

I have mixed feelings about The Moor.  It all looks a bit samey to me - concrete slabs and glass, I think it lacks character somewhat although I do like the new market.  It will be interesting to see what the new triangle between the town hall, City Hall and Charter Square will look like once it's finished. Personally,  I'm not a fan of excessive pedestrianised areas and for me one of the bigger issues for the CC is that it's far too sprawling, it takes ages to get anywhere. Wilkinson's is about the only shop in the old market area keeping the area alive, which is sad considering the amount of old buildings there but now the focus has moved to the other side of the CC and it doesn't seem to fit. Interesting to hear talk of a new arena to be built on Pond Street bus station but there really isn't much around there. Unlike most cities Sheffield train station is nowhere near the main shopping area and that's a problem.  For me, Sheffield really needs something like a metro system linking the outlaying regions. The problem with that are the amount of elevations in Sheffield but the tram seems to cope without too much difficulty. Of course it'll never happen. 

City centre sprawl is what the new development is trying to to change. For years our shopping has always been far too spread out.    Back in the day I remember  being dragged through Castle house, up High Street, up Fargate, round to Cole Brothers, out the back and all the way down the Moor to Atkinsons many a time.  Now like many other cities, the core shopping area is being condensed.  

 

To me, we don't need the 'old market area' to be kept alive for shopping, it's entire purpose is changing as is the rest of that part of town. Its  evolving and redeveloping into residential, leisure and social, which will  flow through nicely onto other mirroring development along Shalesmoor and into Kelham Island.

 

I wouldn't say there is little around Pond Street, its surrounded by several large University buildings, new residential, new office buildings.... Again, it's just a different purpose to what we were used to in the past.

 

Now I do agree the train station is a little out of the way, but in my experience that is very common in lots of cities, often because the rail stations were built up to a century prior to the modern day city layout. Manchester Piccadilly is a good hoof away from the primary core area as are places like Leicester, Newcastle, York, Norwich, Liverpool, Nottingham and most of the major London terminous.  To me, the the biggest hurdle we have here is our geography. Something we cannot really do much about. We are famed for being built on seven hills and this of course makes, what elsewhere, could be a simple straight line walk into a much more off-putting challenge.  I don't actually think the straight line distance is as long as people believe it to be.

 

I feel expanding the tram network internally around the city centre will be far too disruptive and costly. Instead we could go the Singapore, Hong Kong, Toronto or Monaco method by simply creating cut through walkways or linked building pathways through some of the bigger hills, installing escalators/moving walk or lift access between  different gradient.   In theory, such could fit well with the obvious plan to keep vehicles out of the central area and could be easier to install alongside the redevelopment work.  It has sort of already been done with The Light building or beneath St. Paul's Tower. It could be done again down Howard Street to the Station,  the bus interchange cutting up onto to High Street or maybe even Leopold/church Street down to Shalesmoor.

 

However, as with anything that involves public pathways, open escalators or underpasses, there is always the risk of scumbag element vandalising, urinating or generally congregating which turns it into something people seek to avoid.....What's the old phrase, we can never have anything nice.

Edited April 16, 2022 by ECCOnoob