hackey lad Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, hackey lad said: What does “ mixed feelings “ mean to you ? Another one Dr Tops won’t answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tyke02 said: But we are back to remembered stories about what was on the radio, and can't now be verified. Possibly one of THE most biased Beeb bias stories / choice of stories. The story : (8 Nov 21) NHS chief ridiculed over claims of ‘14 times as many Covid admissions as last year’ Amanda Pritchard’s statement described as nonsense, as latest data show numbers in hospital with coronavirus are significantly lower [not higher] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/08/health-officials-fire-off-the-scale-wrong-covid-admission-claims/ My complaint to the Beeb : Amanda Pritchard's inaccuracy not reported Why was the infamous inaccuracy of Amanda Pritchard (chief executive of the NHS) not reported on your news website ? When she inaccurately claimed 14X more people were in hospital with Covid than at the same time last year. If it was on your news website I couldn't find it.... At the same time this story was on your front page : "Finlay MacNab: The footballer living with long Covid" If that isn't BIAS I do not know what is. The BBC are supposed to report the news in an unbiased way, not scaremonger because they think (wrongly) they are being socially responsible or following government policy. And their answer : We know that not everyone will agree with our choices on which stories to cover, or the amount of coverage each story receives. Our news editors make these complex decisions, based on the editorial merit of all the stories at hand. We accept that not everyone will agree with each decision, however, we can assure you these decisions aren’t indicative of bias. Even using your helpful piece of advice (about the date range) I still can't find it in the BBC News website of the period...... And even "Fullfact", who are more usually at the front when trying to claim suppression wasn't as bad, but was more effective, than claimed, was clear. Pritchard was wrong, way wrong. But, apparently, a story about a footballer having Long Covid had more "editorial merit" ! And that's not bias ? **** off ! I'm keen to see you, or anyone else on here, justify this one. Edited December 1, 2022 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 12 hours ago, Chekhov said: And their answer : We know that not everyone will agree with our choices on which stories to cover, or the amount of coverage each story receives. Our news editors make these complex decisions, based on the editorial merit of all the stories at hand. We accept that not everyone will agree with each decision, however, we can assure you these decisions aren’t indicative of bias. That's the expected standard reply from the leftist leaning Media. They have journalistic license to print false and misleading information, and they can simply "correct", "remove" the offending articles, at some later date. sometimes long after the misinformation has been promulgated far and wide and cited and quoted and unquestionably believed by their willing audiences. In 2019/2020, after the heavily promoted "Russian Collusion" conspiracy theories, were falling apart, there was a veritable orgy of correcting, and taking down, stories the MSN had printed, which "failed to live up to their journalistic standards". but fact is there is just not the same fact checking scrutiny applied to the Media, that is reserved for skeptical posters, such as you and I. I started to document them, and found that they nearly all erred in one direction, against the conservative viewpoint and conservatives in general. I stopped when the list became endless. The main perps were the U.S. giants, Washington Post, New York Times, USA Today and CNN. Washington Post corrects, removes reporting that relied on ... https://www.foxnews.com › media › washington-post-corr... Nov 12, 2021 — CNN and MSNBC heaped credibility on the discredited Christopher Steele dossier alleging Russian collusion with the Donald Trump campaign. Washington Post adds lengthy correction to report on Trump ...https://thehill.com › homenews › media › 543271-wap... Mar 15, 2021 — told Georgia's top elections investigator during a phone call to "find the fraud" and that they would be "a national hero" if they did so. "Two ... The Steele dossier: A reckoning | CNN Politics https://www.cnn.com › 2021/11/18 › steele-dossier-recko... Nov 18, 2021 — When it came to light in January 2017, just days before Donald Trump took office, the so-called Steele dossier landed like a bombshell and ... Missing: york | Must include: How Did So Much of the Media Get the Steele Dossier So ... https://www.nytimes.com › 2021/11/15 › opinion › steele... Nov 15, 2021 — Many journalists were too eager to prove what they thought they already knew about Trump. Missing: corrects | Must include: corrects Several media organizations were forced to make retractions Tuesday after falsely attributing a staggering Obama-era migrant child-detention statistic to President Trump. (Reuters, NBC, NPR, AFP) Corrections & Clarifications 2021 - USA Todayhttps://www.usatoday.com › story › news › 2021/01/11 Jan 6, 2021 The BBC had a list of corrections and mea culpa's on a wide range of issues in 2019 Too many to post here, but here's a sampling: 05/12/2019 Victoria Derbyshire BBC Two and BBC News Channel, Tuesday 26 November 2019 In a question to a representative of the Muslim Council of Britain about Labour's Race & Faith manifesto we said there were "no mentions of Islam". While this was intended to be a discussion about whether the document contains specific policies aimed at the Muslim community, we should make clear that it does in fact make references both to Muslims and Islamophobia - for example, the need for a memorial to Muslim soldiers, pay inequality faced by Muslim women and Labour's adoption of the All Party Parliamentary Group's definition of Islamophobia. 05/12/2019 BBC Weekend News: Lunchtime News BBC One, Saturday 23 November 2019 In a report on the previous night's Question Time: Leaders Debate, a clip was shortened for timing reasons on Saturday's lunchtime bulletin. This was to edit out a repetitious phrase from Boris Johnson, but in doing so, it also resulted in the audience laughter being removed. Although there was absolutely no intention to mislead, we accept this was a mistake on our part, as it didn't reflect the full reaction to Boris Johnson's answer. We did not alter the soundtrack or image in any way apart from this edit, contrary to some claims on social media. A longer clip, including the audience reaction, was played out in full on BBC News at Ten on Friday evening and on other outlets. 04/12/2019 Today BBC Radio 4, Wednesday 20 November 2019 In a discussion about the impact of the Leadership election debate, we said Boris Johnson had said the Royal Family is beyond reproach. To be precise Boris Johnson had said: 'The institution of the monarchy is beyond reproach.' 20/11/2019 BBC Radio 4, Monday 4 November 2019 In an item about the possible sale of the Daily Telegraph and the Sunday Telegraph, it was claimed the Telegraph is loss making. In fact the Telegraph Media Group made a pre-tax profit of £900,000 on turnover of £271million in 2018. The Telegraph points out that while its paid-for circulation is 310,586 it also has 400,000 subscribers. 18/11/2019 Question Time BBC One and BBC Radio 5 Live, Thursday 31 October 2019 The presenter misheard a reference from a member of the audience who said that Vote Leave "is accused of breaking electoral law" and gave the impression that this was not correct. In fact, Vote Leave was fined £61,000 by the Electoral Commission and a police investigation into its activities during the EU referendum campaign is still active. Leave.EU, to which the presenter was in fact referring, was also fined for electoral offences. 07/11/2019 Breakfast BBC One and BBC News Channel, Tuesday 5 October 2019 We incorrectly stated that the Independent Office for Police Conduct had found no evidence of lying or deliberate wrongdoing by the Metropolitan Chief Commissioner Cressida Dick in its review of Operation Midland. The IOPC investigation did not in fact refer to her. 01/11/2019 Christian Fraser Twitter, Friday 6 September 2019 In a tweet Christian Fraser referred to the stance of three senior Labour party members on Brexit. We should make it clear that he was reflecting his understanding of their personal views, expressed in interviews with them, rather than the party's official position. One of them Richard Burgon, has clarified his own position. 01/11/2019 Today BBC Radio 4, Thursday 24 October 2019 In an interview about Labour's Green New Deal, it was claimed that the GMB General Secretary had described the party's plans for zero net carbon emissions by 2030 as "negligent at best, vindictive and cruel at its worst". In fact this was how the GMB's Tim Roache had described the Government's approach to the zero carbon economy. Mr Roache has previously said the net zero carbon emissions target for 2030 was "unachievable". 01/11/2019 From Our Own Correspondent BBC Radio 4, Thursday 26 September 2019 In this programme, we suggested that Benjamin Netanyahu faces serious allegations of corruption, which he denies, and which were due to come to court next month. This was in fact a pre-trial hearing in front of the attorney general at the Justice ministry. 28/10/2019 Today BBC Radio 4, Thursday 3 October 2019 In a discussion about abolishing tuition fees it was claimed that Labour are 'the only ones that have that commitment' in England. In fact the Green Party is also committed to abolishing tuition fees. UKIP says it wants to abolish tuition fees for all when economic to do so. As a first step it will bring back maintenance grants for poor students and scrap fees for medicine and STEM courses. The Liberal Democrats say they will reintroduce maintenance grants for poor students. 17/10/2019 BBC Breakfast BBC One and BBC News Channel, Saturday 27 July 2019 In exchanges about the causes of heavy rain and thunderstorms, high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and global warming were given as direct factors. Any role for climate change in affecting storm conditions is the subject of ongoing research by the scientific community. 17/10/2019 BBC Politics Twitter, Wednesday 24 July 2019 A tweet referring to an interview with the Green Party MP Caroline Lucas about Brexit read: 'Would Green MP Caroline Lucas accept the result of Brexit referendum where Leave won? "No, I probably wouldn't"' In fact Caroline Lucas told Politics Live said that in the short term she would accept the result and that this would settle the issue for the foreseeable future. The tweet has been deleted and @BBCPolitics has since made clear this was because the original tweet misrepresented what Ms Lucas had said. 11/09/2019 The Food Chain: Food Under Siege BBC World Service, Thursday 1 August 2019 We inadvertently implied in this programme that Gaza was under siege, like Aleppo and Sarajevo, rather than under a blockade. We have re-edited this programme to make the difference clear and to provide some more context about the nature of the Gaza blockade and the reasons for it. 30/08/2019 BBC News Online, Wednesday 12 December 2018 In a report about the Pentagon’s plans to enter into a contract with a commercial company to store classified data on the cloud (the JEDI contract), we raised security concerns in relation to the close relationship one of the main front runners for the contract, Amazon Web Services, had with the C5 group of cyber-investment companies. The BBC's Executive Complaints Unit has partially upheld a complaint from AWS. The ECU said that the evidence relied upon 'did not justify the clear impression that the relationship between AWS and C5 Group did create a threat to US national security in the event AWS were to be awarded the JEDI contract.' As a result we have taken the article down. 30/08/2019 BBC Radio 4, Monday 15 July 2019 In a report about cases of anti-Semitism within the Labour Party, our correspondent said according to party figures, "the number of allegations only concern 0.6% of the party membership." In fact Labour says the correct figure is 0.06%. 23/08/2019 PM BBC Radio 4, Tuesday 14 May 2019 In an interview about nutrition, reference was made to a study which showed people who drank sugared and diet soda put on weight, people who drank milk saw no change, while people who drank water lost weight. The study referred to was a February 2012 report in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. One of the co-authors asked us to make clear that in fact this is incorrect as the research revealed no statistically significant change in body weight during the trial for any of the groups monitored. 21/08/2019 BBC News Online, Wednesday 19 June 2019 In a story of one woman';s experience with vaccinations, we interviewed 'Meredith' who believed that the frightening illnesses she was experiencing as an adult were the result of her mother deciding not to get her vaccinated as a child. When further investigations revealed that Meredith had not been treated for tetanus in hospital in Queensland, we decided to withdraw the story from the website. In fact Meredith was hospitalised with suspected tetanus, but doctors later identified a different infection. 21/08/2019 Victoria Derbyshire BBC Two and BBC News Channel, Tuesday 20 August 2019 In a discussion about new research on how gambling companies promote their services on Twitter, we incorrectly stated that X-Bet.co didn't respond to our request for comment. They did respond, saying: "We condemn any form of underage gambling and we adhere to the most stringent regulation enforcing this. This is clearly defined in the terms and conditions of our site. Furthermore we do not accept users from the United Kingdom." 21/08/2019 BBC News Channel and BBC News Online, Monday 12 August 2019 In a report about drugs crime figures, we said that crime in Westhumble had quadrupled in the past year. We would like to clarify that this was relating to drugs possession, rather than to gang-related crime, and we did not specifically state that Westhumble was a centre for county lines dealing itself. 20/08/2019 BBC News at Ten BBC One and News Channel, Monday 13 May 2019 In a report on the Swedish investigation into the rape allegations against Julian Assange being reopened, our presenter referred to charges against him. While there have been allegations made against Mr Assange, he has never been charged. 11/06/2019 BBC Radio 4 and BBC News Online, Monday 3 June 2019 In a question to one of its directors, we stated that the TV chef Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall blamed the chemical firm Ineos for plastic waste found on a Grangemouth beach. The company denied it was responsible, but in fact Mr Fearnley-Whittingstall had not said this. We've amended the BBC Sounds edition of the programme and a BBC News Online article has also been changed. 04/06/2019 Yesterday In Parliament and Today BBC Radio 4, Thursday 23 May 2019 In a report on the Work and Pensions Select Committee evidence session in Parliament, we reported that some vulnerable people faced difficulties accessing Universal Credit because claims have to be done online. The Department for Work and Pensions has asked us to point out that this is not the case as claims can also be submitted on the phone or via home visits that can be arranged on request. 30/05/2019 BBC News at Six BBC One and BBC News Channel and News Online, Tuesday 14 May 2019 In a report about smart meters, we said up to £1.7 billion had been spent on installing meters that are not working as they should. This figure is wrong and should not have been included in the report. It was calculated from the overall projected cost of the entire smart meter project rather than the cost to date, and did not take into account the fact that the roll out of smart meters is less than half way through. We also said that the second generation of smart meters are not able to switch between suppliers. In fact, the second generation of smart meters should be able to function with a different supplier. 24/05/2019 The Andrew Marr Show BBC One, Sunday 14 April 2019 In an edition of this programme, David Lammy MP said the Windrush Compensation Scheme was "heavily capped when people make individual claims. So for example, if you've been deported you have a cap of £10,000." While this figure is accurate, the adviser to the scheme has asked us to point out that applicants can make claims under multiple categories and there is no overall cap on the amount of compensation an individual can receive. 16/05/2019 Today BBC Radio 4, Tuesday 12 February 2019 In a discussion on a report about changes to the environment by the Institute for Public Policy Research, reference was made to an IPPR statistic that since 2005, the number of floods across the world has increased by 15 times. The IPPR has since corrected their report to say that this is, in fact, since 1950. We are happy to make this clear. 16/05/2019 Today BBC Radio 4 and BBC News Online, Friday 8 March 2019 BBC Radio 4's Today programme discussed the accuracy of claims made about food poisoning in the UK compared to the US. In doing so, we wrongly compared US estimated figures with UK confirmed figures. The article on the topic has been updated with additional statistics and now gives more context around this issue. 08/05/2019 BBC Radio 4, Monday 25 March 2019 In an item about the Sackler Trust, we reported its decision to suspend future gifts to charities in light of the controversy over money it received which derived from the sale of opioid painkillers. Commenting on this, an interviewee referred to 300,000 people having died in America. We would like to make clear this was a reference to the overall number of deaths linked to opioids in general, and not deaths linked to a specific product or company. According to the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, almost 400,000 people died between 1999 and 2017 in the USA from an overdose involving any opioid. 28/03/2019 BBC News at Ten BBC One and BBC News Channel and BBC News Online, Wednesday 23 May 2018 In our News at Ten bulletin and in an online article published on 23 May 2018 we incorrectly reported that Petro Poroshenko, the President of Ukraine, had procured or authorised a corrupt payment of $400,000 to be made to Michael Cohen, the personal lawyer of Donald Trump, to extend a brief meeting between Mr Poroshenko and President Trump, that had already been agreed, into more substantial talks. We believed that the publications made a less serious allegation against Mr Poroshenko, but in the light of a finding by the High Court that the allegation was as set out above, we are happy to accept that this allegation was untrue. We apologise to Mr Poroshenko for any distress caused and have agreed to pay him damages, legal costs and have participated in a joint statement in open court. https://www.bbc.co.uk/helpandfeedback/corrections_clarifications/archive_2019/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyke02 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Chekhov said: Possibly one of THE most biased Beeb bias stories / choice of stories. The story : (8 Nov 21) NHS chief ridiculed over claims of ‘14 times as many Covid admissions as last year’ Amanda Pritchard’s statement described as nonsense, as latest data show numbers in hospital with coronavirus are significantly lower [not higher] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/08/health-officials-fire-off-the-scale-wrong-covid-admission-claims/ <snip> I'm keen to see you, or anyone else on here, justify this one. Happy to help. I was posting yesterday about the perils of selective quotation and the importance of following up sources to check the context and validity. This is a bit of a case study on that. The telegraph article that you referenced cites two sources, Sky News and the Health Service Journal. the telegraph quotation is indeed from Sky (https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-people-urged-to-book-jabs-as-nhs-warns-hospitals-coming-under-record-pressure-12463729), but look at the context: "There is no doubt that the NHS is running hot and there are some very real pressures on health and social care," she said. Ms Pritchard said there was "14 times the number of people in hospital with COVID-19 than we saw this time last year" - based on the latest published month-on-month NHS data for August. "We also had a record number of A&E attendance and a record number of 999 calls," she added. Seems likely that it was pointed out to Sky after first publishing that they were inaccurately representing the position, and they decided to edit it. I wouldn't be surprised if they supported that request by referencing the HSJ article that was released before the round of interviews that was clear that the reference was to the August collated hospital data, for which the "14 times" claim is correct. (It's not uncommon for people to contact the journalist responsible and ask for the record to be corrected.) That's supported by what one of their reporters wrote the same day on social media: Ed Conway @EdConwaySky Nov 8, 2021 For anyone wondering, we’ve now deleted our original @skynews tweet reporting the NHS CEO’s comments. I’ve also written some words explaining why that number is so dodgy - they’ll be up online soon. We don’t always get this stuff right. But we’re trying our hardest… If you read to the end of the telegraph article you quoted there is also an explanation of what data was being referred to, and why. I can see why the BBC might have thought a story that said "it was reported that someone got the stats wrong, but now we understand that they were quoted out of context" might not be of high editorial quality. As to coverage on the BBC, the telegraph reported two days later on an interview with the Health Secretary on BBC Radio where he was asked about the reports on what Pritchard said. Sadly no longer available on BBC Sounds. These sorts of things can often be explained by **** up (as above) or conspiracy, and I see many on social media have gone the latter route. Two things suggest to me that it wasn't conspiracy are: that with the Nov 2020 and 2021 data freely available it would be immediately obvious the 14x is wrong for November the HSJ article stating that it was August data being referred to came out before the press interviews Edited December 1, 2022 by Tyke02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, trastrick said: That's the expected standard reply from the leftist leaning Media. For balance and lack of bias could you supply similar detail from the rightist leaning Media? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, RJRB said: For balance and lack of bias could you supply similar detail from the rightist leaning Media? No thanks, would need thousands upon thousands of pages for Hannity and Tucker alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Magilla said: No thanks, would need thousands upon thousands of pages for Hannity and Tucker alone! The absolutely galactic level irony of listing corrections from the 'leftist media' when he lives on a diet of Fox News lies and spews the semi-digested garbage back out on here on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 The 14x thing was widely reported on Radio 5 at least and in questions at the Downing Street press conferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyke02 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Some good news for tops - Musk has removed twitter's covid misinformation policy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Magilla said: No thanks, would need thousands upon thousands of pages for Hannity and Tucker alone! To be honest I am guessing that apologies and retractions would be a rarity from those and a few others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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