altus Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 40 minutes ago, trastrick said: In the interest of full disclosure: The News Statesman WIKI "Today, the magazine is a print–digital hybrid. According to its present self-description, it has a liberal and progressive political position.[3] Jason Cowley, the magazine's editor, has described the New Statesman as a publication "of the left, for the left"[4] but also as "a political and literary magazine" with "sceptical" politics.[5] Well that's a bit of a non-sequitur. If you're trying to imply that the site I linked to has something to do with New Statesman magazine you'll have to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, altus said: Well that's a bit of a non-sequitur. If you're trying to imply that the site I linked to has something to do with New Statesman magazine you'll have to explain. I was naturally curious as to the author of your linked quote. (from the article) "ABOUT THE AUTHOR Katie Stallard-Blanchette Global Fellow; Senior Editor of China and Global Affairs, the New Statesman" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, trastrick said: I liked his: No new wars Just massively increased the existing ones. Quote Record Jobs Lowest unemployment on record, for whites, blacks and asians The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%. Created way less jobs than Obama. Quote Permanently funding Black Colleges, at their highest ever level. Matched the funding put in place by Obama https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/donald-trump/trumps-exaggerated-claim-he-saved-hbcus-2019-fundi/ Quote Establishing Commercial Investment Zones for inner cities. How a Trump Tax Break to Help Poor Communities Became a Windfall for the Rich https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/31/business/tax-opportunity-zones.html Trump is touting Opportunity Zones as a huge success with no proof https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-touting-opportunity-zones-huge-success-no-proof-n1231546 Quote Average familiy incomes rising above the inflation rate. Household incomes grew more slowly in a majority of states under Trump – even before COVID-19: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/10/26/household-incomes-grew-more-slowly-most-states-under-trump/6009573002/ Quote Historically low inflation Was not during Trumps tenure! Quote Low heating and gasoline prices. So mismanaged they had to give it away, causing the biggest short term drop in US oil output in history. Quote One of the U.S. largest Tax cuts That failed on every level, adding massively to the national debt. The Great Failure of Donald Trump’s Big Tax Cut https://cepr.net/the-great-failure-of-donald-trumps-big-tax-cut/ The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion. Trump added more debt than the entire cost of the 2008 financial crash, in a time of peace and supposed prosperity! Quote School choice Quote Repeal of the Death Tax Never happened. Quote Repeal of the Obamacare Mandate The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million. Majority of US voters approve of Obamacare. Quote Strong borders, lowest illegal border crossing numbers. Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% compared with 2016. President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-reduced-legal-immigration-he-did-not-reduce-illegal-immigration Quote U.S. Energy Independence Most of the work and increases, happened under Obama. Quote Strongest Military ? Desperate stuff! Quote 300 new conservative Federal Judge appointments 3 new young conservatives on the U.S.Supreme Court for life Confidence in U.S. Supreme Court Sinks to Historic Low: https://news.gallup.com/poll/394103/confidence-supreme-court-sinks-historic-low.aspx Quote Improved Trade Deals with China, S.Korea, Japan, Mexico and Canada The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016. Anatomy of a flop: Why Trump's US-China phase one trade deal fell short https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/anatomy-flop-why-trumps-us-china-phase-one-trade-deal-fell Quote Made In the U.S.A Manufacturing - Steel plants reopened and expanding. Why Harley-Davidson Is Moving Production Overseas https://fortune.com/2018/06/26/harley-davidson-moving-production-overseas/ Trump’s steel tariffs were supposed to save the industry. They made things worse: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-29/steel-industry-faces-a-bleaker-future-than-when-trump-moved-to-rescue-it Quote Import duties for International Corporations that move manufacturing off shore. Which didn't work Quote No new wars You know it's bad when you start repeating yourself Quote Peace Agreement and diplomatic recognition between UAE, Bahrain and Israel How Did Jared Kushner Get $2 Billion From the Saudis? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-11/how-did-jared-kushner-get-2-billion-from-the-saudis Does not appear to be working out so well for the Palestinians Quote Peace Agreement between Serbia and Kosovo Was not a "peace agreement" Quote Peace Agreement between U.S. and the Taliban An unmitigated disaster. Quote Lowering tensions between North and South Korea. Didn't happen. Quote Getting the U.S. Embassy built in Jerusalem Quote Eliminationg the ISIS Caliphate Who really defeated the Islamic State: https://theconversation.com/who-really-defeated-the-islamic-state-obama-or-trump-148066 Trump’s claims are false. Objective history records that Obama launched and oversaw much of the victorious war that the current president claims for himself. Quote No more Russian Invasions of allies like Ukraine Plenty of hand jobs though... ...and waiting for Trump to pull the US out of NATO. Quote Bringing the U.S. Service Men and Women home. Achieved by Biden. Quote Getting the Socialist Paradises in Europe, who hate America, to pay what they agreed to for their own defense. Trump got nothing. They re-affirmed the commitment to increase spending they made in 2014, under Obama. Putin has done more in this regard than Trump ever did. Quote No more "Death to America" chants and threats from Korea and Mad Mullahs in Iran Didn't happen. Quote No more sending billions of dollars to Iran to finance terrorism A misrepresentation... ...he cut funding for pro-democracy groups around the world. Quote No more $billions in fees, salaries, "donations" and investment portfolios, from Ukraine, Russia and China for the Biden and Clinton families, while in office! ...but for the Trump family and associates, party time! Jared and Ivanka made up to $640 million in the White House https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/jared-and-ivanka-made-up-to-640-million-in-the-white-house/ How Did Jared Kushner Get $2 Billion From the Saudis? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-11/how-did-jared-kushner-get-2-billion-from-the-saudis To levels that make your misleading claims, pale by comparison! You forgot that, under Trump, the murder rate rose to the highest level since 1997! Better luck next time! Edited October 8, 2022 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Grey Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Magilla said: Just massively increased the existing ones. Created way less jobs than Obama. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/donald-trump/trumps-exaggerated-claim-he-saved-hbcus-2019-fundi/ How a Trump Tax Break to Help Poor Communities Became a Windfall for the Rich https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/31/business/tax-opportunity-zones.html Trump is touting Opportunity Zones as a huge success with no proof https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-touting-opportunity-zones-huge-success-no-proof-n1231546 Household incomes grew more slowly in a majority of states under Trump – even before COVID-19: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/10/26/household-incomes-grew-more-slowly-most-states-under-trump/6009573002/ Was not during Trump tenure! So mismanaged they had to give it away, causing the biggest short term drop in US oil output in history. That failed on every level, adding massively to the national debt. The Great Failure of Donald Trump’s Big Tax Cut https://cepr.net/the-great-failure-of-donald-trumps-big-tax-cut/ Never happened. Majority of US voters approve of Obamacare. President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-reduced-legal-immigration-he-did-not-reduce-illegal-immigration Most of the work and increases, happened under Obama. ? Desperate stuff! Confidence in U.S. Supreme Court Sinks to Historic Low: https://news.gallup.com/poll/394103/confidence-supreme-court-sinks-historic-low.aspx Mostly flops Anatomy of a flop: Why Trump's US-China phase one trade deal fell short https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/anatomy-flop-why-trumps-us-china-phase-one-trade-deal-fell Why Harley-Davidson Is Moving Production Overseas https://fortune.com/2018/06/26/harley-davidson-moving-production-overseas/ Trump’s steel tariffs were supposed to save the industry. They made things worse: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-29/steel-industry-faces-a-bleaker-future-than-when-trump-moved-to-rescue-it Which didn't work You know it's bad when you start repeating yourself How Did Jared Kushner Get $2 Billion From the Saudis? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-11/how-did-jared-kushner-get-2-billion-from-the-saudis Does not appear to be working out so well for the Palestinians Was not a "peace agreement" An unmitigated disaster. Didn't happen. Who really defeated the Islamic State: https://theconversation.com/who-really-defeated-the-islamic-state-obama-or-trump-148066 Trump’s claims are false. Objective history records that Obama launched and oversaw much of the victorious war that the current president claims for himself. Plenty of hand jobs though... ...and waiting for Trump to pull the US out of NATO. Achieved by Biden. Trump got nothing. They re-affirmed the commitment to increase spending they made in 2014, under Obama. Putin has done more in this regard than Trump ever did. Didn't happen. A misrepresentation... ...he cut funding for pro-democracy groups around the world. ...but for the Trump family and associates, party time! Jared and Ivanka made up to $640 million in the White House https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/jared-and-ivanka-made-up-to-640-million-in-the-white-house/ How Did Jared Kushner Get $2 Billion From the Saudis? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-11/how-did-jared-kushner-get-2-billion-from-the-saudis To levels that make your misleading claims, pale by comparison! Better luck next time! You prefer Biden? A vegatable Edited October 8, 2022 by Jack Grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, trastrick said: I was naturally curious as to the author of your linked quote. (from the article) "ABOUT THE AUTHOR Katie Stallard-Blanchette Global Fellow; Senior Editor of China and Global Affairs, the New Statesman" People often work for lots of different organisations throughout their careers. Stallard-Blanchette used to be a foreign correspondent for Sky News. As for The Wilson Center, if you look at the about page for the site you'll see: Quote The Wilson Center, chartered by Congress in 1968 as the official memorial to President Woodrow Wilson, is the nation’s key non-partisan policy forum for tackling global issues through independent research and open dialogue to inform actionable ideas for the policy community. That page even has a quote from Mike Pence: Quote It’s an honor to be here at the Director’s Forum with the members and friends of this well-respected institution, an institution of independent research, open dialogue, and actionable ideas – truly a bipartisan stalwart here in Washington. 1 hour ago, Jack Grey said: Thedy threw all that away for this...... And Trump needed to take Theresa May's arm to walk down a slope. Perhaps they should decide the next US president by an obstacle course race between Biden and Trump. They are both old men so don't make it too taxing. First to complete a 200 yard course, under their own steam and without assistance wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jack Grey said: You prefer Biden? Given his current job approval and favourability ratings it's clear, at least for now... ...most people do! 4 minutes ago, Jack Grey said: A vegatable Compared to what? A president who's physically incapable of doing anything but standing still, or sitting... who famously can't understand anything without pictures, stay focused for more than 20 seconds and who can't construct a cohesive sentence on any topic without waffling about something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, altus said: People often work for lots of different organisations throughout their careers. Stallard-Blanchette used to be a foreign correspondent for Sky News. I just think it's important to know what an author's current job is, when reading their cited "opinions". Didn't Reagan and Trump used to be Democrats? Edited October 8, 2022 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Grey Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, trastrick said: I just think it's important to know what an author's current job is, when reading their cited "opinions". Didn't Reagan and Trump used to be Democrats? Liz Truss used to be a LibDem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 23 minutes ago, trastrick said: I just think it's important to know what an author's current job is, when reading their cited "opinions". Didn't Reagan and Trump used to be Democrats? Trump is an aberration that has hijacked Republican Party faithful for his own ends He will become an increasingly marginalised character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, RJRB said: Trump is an aberration that has hijacked Republican Party faithful for his own ends He will become an increasingly marginalised character. The only person being "marginalised" is one Joseph Robinette Biden. Online sports betting has Trump favored to win in 2024, followed by De Santis. https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/us-presidential-election-odds/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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