Jobs - Vacancies Outnumber Unemployed?

[melthebell]

3 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

How did this all come about.  

Strangely enough probably from people having more money and more time off. So there's a massive spurt in hospitality to cater to them.

Take Whitby, even in winter, it might be quieter but people still visit.

Unlike years back and pubs etc closed for nigh on 3 or 4 months during the 'closed'season

[ECCOnoob]

11 hours ago, melthebell said:

Strangely enough probably from people having more money and more time off. So there's a massive spurt in hospitality to cater to them.

Take Whitby, even in winter, it might be quieter but people still visit.

Unlike years back and pubs etc closed for nigh on 3 or 4 months during the 'closed'season

That is very true. I'm sure some will reminisce about it all being so lovely with rose tinted nostalgia but god how miserable was it back then.

 

Pubs forced to close in the middle of the day. Every shop and supermarket closed by around 6 or 7pm. The only thing you could do on a Sunday was go to church, a garden centre or some car boot because all the shops and restaurants were shut.   Hardly anywhere available to get something to eat after around 9 p.m. in the week because there was no 24hr restaurants or fast food beyond some usually closed chip shop.  Seasonal operations in coastal towns where the whole area will be dead and desolate for half the year.....

 

Lets also try and get back on topic and think about the extra employment opportunities which came from such shifts in society and the introduction of 24/7 operations.

Edited May 18, 2022 by ECCOnoob

[Anna B]

2 hours ago, PRESLEY said:

How did this all come about.  

Lack of Unions and Labour politicians fighting your corner and defending your working  rights.

 

Yes Ecconoob, times change and the world moves on, but always at someone elses expense, and it's usually the little guy at the bottom of the heap that gets the ****ty end of the stick. Interesting that hospitals which really do need to be open 24/7 especially with the current backlog, all but close down at weekends, because the doctors/consultants refuse to work. 

 

You might not care what days of the week you take your rest, presumably you can choose, not a privilege given to everyone. For many folks weekends are the only time they can spend with the wife and kids who are at school all week.

[Dromedary]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Lack of Unions and Labour politicians fighting your corner and defending your working  rights.

Utter rubbish.

 

 

[PRESLEY]

8 hours ago, Anna B said:

Lack of Unions and Labour politicians fighting your corner and defending your working  rights.

 

Yes Ecconoob, times change and the world moves on, but always at someone elses expense, and it's usually the little guy at the bottom of the heap that gets the ****ty end of the stick. Interesting that hospitals which really do need to be open 24/7 especially with the current backlog, all but close down at weekends, because the doctors/consultants refuse to work. 

 

You might not care what days of the week you take your rest, presumably you can choose, not a privilege given to everyone. For many folks weekends are the only time they can spend with the wife and kids who are at school all week.

Not utter rubbish at all.  I asked how this all come about and yet again an excellent explanation.  Thankyou Anna. 

[Dromedary]

4 hours ago, PRESLEY said:

Not utter rubbish at all.  I asked how this all come about and yet again an excellent explanation.  Thankyou Anna. 

Without any details to back the accusation up it is just that, rubbish.

 

In fact it was Thatcher as PM who wanted to change the trading laws but failed to do so.  But.....  In 1994 Major introduced the change with the Sunday Trading Act 1994 and despite some church backed protest groups such as "Keep Sunday Special" it passed into law. The change was not opposed by the Unions either as it also included a clause so that people employed in shops could opt out of working on Sundays. Sunday trading was wanted because a lot of workers also worked the normal 9-5 routine so were restricted in shopping habits. Being able to shop on a Sunday was necessary to them and also became very popular. 

 

When I first started in retail, shops were basically 9-6 with half day closing during the week.

Edited May 18, 2022 by Dromedary
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[Anna B]

11 hours ago, Dromedary said:

Utter rubbish.

 

 

What planet do you live on?

 

Margaret Thatcher's entire raison d'etre was to smash the Unions, which she did most effectively, to make way for the free- for-all that is the 'Free Market Economy.'

Unfettered by regulations and rules protecting worker's rights, the Corporations took every advantage, and all the work done by the unions to improve working conditions and practices, often years in the making, were ripped up. Worker's got no help from Tony Blair (and won't get any help from Starmer.) 

 

And now we have the insecure, 0 hours, 'gig' economy as a result.  

 

Now, if you work in one of the 'new' industries, like a distribution centre, or a delivery driver for them, you are little better than slave labour with no protection whatsoever. There is no rule to say you cannot belong to a Union, but if you do you will not a get a job here, or find your hours cut to 0 very fast; complain about anything, and the result will be the same; an older worker not able to keep up the relentless pace, and you're out. 

 

These are the new sweatshops. They have you by the short and curlies, they know it, and there's nothing you can do about it.   

[PRESLEY]

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

What planet do you live on?

 

Margaret Thatcher's entire raison d'etre was to smash the Unions, which she did most effectively, to make way for the free- for-all that is the 'Free Market Economy.'

Unfettered by regulations and rules protecting worker's rights, the Corporations took every advantage, and all the work done by the unions to improve working conditions and practices, often years in the making, were ripped up. Worker's got no help from Tony Blair (and won't get any help from Starmer.) 

 

And now we have the insecure, 0 hours, 'gig' economy as a result.  

 

Now, if you work in one of the 'new' industries, like a distribution centre, or a delivery driver for them, you are little better than slave labour with no protection whatsoever. There is no rule to say you cannot belong to a Union, but if you do you will not a get a job here, or find your hours cut to 0 very fast; complain about anything, and the result will be the same; an older worker not able to keep up the relentless pace, and you're out. 

 

These are the new sweatshops. They have you by the short and curlies, they know it, and there's nothing you can do about it.   

Trouble is Anne,  some on here wern't born or old enough to have endured the Wrath of Thatcher which is continuing to this day and will do until we get the Torys out. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by PRESLEY

[Dromedary]

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

....

Margaret Thatcher's entire raison d'etre was to smash the Unions, which she did most effectively, to make way for the free- for-all that is the 'Free Market Economy.'

Unfettered by regulations and rules protecting worker's rights, the Corporations took every advantage, and all the work done by the unions to improve working conditions and practices, often years in the making, were ripped up. Worker's got no help from Tony Blair (and won't get any help from Starmer.) 

 

And now we have the insecure, 0 hours, 'gig' economy as a result.  

....

No mention of Neoliberalism then....

 

What is happening now is called modern progress and no matter how you keep banging on about Thatcher being the root cause, it is patently incorrect. Was internet shopping around in Thatchers day? If you can buy stuff on the internet 24/7 then why not have that also apply to shops especially so now as all high streets are suffering from lack of real shoppers. 

 

Here we are talking about job vacancies outnumbering the unemployed so it seems to have been a success. The Unions had their chance but did not stop the Sunday Trading Act as it was more to do with a religious bias and not a Union bias, not forgetting it also helped create jobs for their members.

 

Another take on why Sunday trading laws should now be completely scrapped.

 

https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/open_all_hours_why_sunday_trading_laws_should_be_scrapped

 

 

[Dromedary]

29 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

Trouble is Anne,  some on here wern't born or old enough to have endured the Wrath of Thatcher which is continuing to this day and will do until we get the Torys out. 

I am plenty old enough and also lost a good job I was in because of some of Thatchers funding cuts.

 

BTW getting the Tories out will do nothing except put another lot in that will do exactly the same as that is progress. Notice how other EU countries are also doing the same and that is without any Thatcher legacy.. The clues are there but unheard.

Edited May 18, 2022 by Dromedary