Modern Life Is Rubbish

[Annie Bynnol]

14 minutes ago, trastrick said:

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In spite of the protestations, and their "regulations",  I know personally of instances where a repeat offender (teacher) was just shuffled off to the next jurisdiction by the powers that be, to avoid controversy, and keep the Union happy.

 

I had to report on one, I shared a classroom with, after a parent complained. I was almost tempted to post that report here,

 

He was just "moved on", and as far as I know is still out there!

 

As long as crime pays, it will always be with you. 

 

Legislate against criminals and make the penalties real and prohibitive, and stop treating everybody as potential criminals.

In the UK you would have seen been part of the problem. Far too many adults in schools were guilty through inaction of failing to safeguard children.

It is a requirement that all staff recieve extensive and repeated annual training in safeguarding.which includes the requirement that the adult ensures that a safeguarding matter is reported and followed up until they are satisfied that action has been taken -which includes the Police and NSPCC.  Failure to do so would lead to dismissal, barring and prosecution.

 

In the UK a school 'union representitive' has little or no influence, passing on as they do matters upward. As most union officers are acting or qualified teachers they would themselves be at risk of loosing their livelyhood. The unions have battled long and hard to improve their professional status. As a number of union people would be involved, no 'deals' would be possible. The 'union' role in a safeguarding case would be to ensure that the correct procedures were followed. It was the collusion between LEA, Governors and Headteachers that enabled unsuitable staff to be 'moved on'.

 

Governors in the past repeatedly failed to ensure that safeguarding procedures were correctly followed. Governors in the past repeatedly failed to ensure that the staff they employed were correctly vetted.

 

 

[trastrick]

14 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

In the UK you would have seen been part of the problem. Far too many adults in schools were guilty through inaction of failing to safeguard children.

It is a requirement that all staff recieve extensive and repeated annual training in safeguarding.which includes the requirement that the adult ensures that a safeguarding matter is reported and followed up until they are satisfied that action has been taken -which includes the Police and NSPCC.  Failure to do so would lead to dismissal, barring and prosecution.

 

In the UK a school 'union representitive' has little or no influence, passing on as they do matters upward. As most union officers are acting or qualified teachers they would themselves be at risk of loosing their livelyhood. The unions have battled long and hard to improve their professional status. As a number of union people would be involved, no 'deals' would be possible. The 'union' role in a safeguarding case would be to ensure that the correct procedures were followed. It was the collusion between LEA, Governors and Headteachers that enabled unsuitable staff to be 'moved on'.

 

Governors in the past repeatedly failed to ensure that safeguarding procedures were correctly followed. Governors in the past repeatedly failed to ensure that the staff they employed were correctly vetted.

 

 

And so it goes.

 

Blame "the governors", blame everybody but the miscreants. 

 

At the school I was Science Link Governor, Queen Elizabeth, we had no problem with innapropriate behaviour. The school was exemplary, so much so that the County Education Authority felt it was too "exclusionary". even though the only requirement for attendance was a decent academic record, rich or poor. But its crime was that it reflected badly on the other school down the road.

 

It was a two year battle by our Committee to prevent them "amalgamating" both schools. We won, and the graduates (rich and poor) are still going on to do useful and productive things for society. They are still proud of their "ethos".

 

The other school I tought at was a mess. 30% teacher absentee rate with "stress". Which incidently, was how I got into the education business by invitation, when they were facing an OFSTED, and a severe shortage of teachers. It was at this school, where they had poor to no control over their students and teachers. I was told to stop sending disruptive students to the Head's Office. Malcolm, the Head, explained to me that we were there to do the best we could for them and their parents, and sending them home was NOT an option. Deal with it. We are all they have! (hence the high stress related teacher absence) He meant well, and we did the best we could under the circumstances, but having to cater to the disrupters, many students were deprived of a non disruptive environment in whch to learn. Enter that odd teacher to our Lincs school who's came from parts unknown, with no known (reported) background problems. Who despite being pulled from his classes, may still be out there somewhere, with still no formal investigative charges being filed.

 

While there, I was able to teach the curriculum, set up coursework files for each student, to a markable level, to the surprise of many, and received appreciation from the school, and especially at at Parent's Night. I was asked to stay on, despite the rumblings about not having a Teaching Certificate, required for Union Membership.

 

Challenging, sometimes frustrating, but very, very satifying to get appreciation from those that really cared!

 

Time the Teacher's Unions re-priorized their goals, from "battling long and hard to improve their professional status", to doing the job they are paid to do, namely providing a good education to help the sudents meet the demands of real life!

 

You'd be surprised at the rise in their "professional status", if they focused on getting rid of the bad apples, featherbedders, and other weak links in their profession, and subscribed to the "ethos" of more successful schools, instead of attacking them.

 

Status and respect cannot be regulated, it can only be earned! 

Edited June 11, 2022 by trastrick

[ECCOnoob]

2 hours ago, trastrick said:

And so it goes.

 

Blame "the governors", blame everybody but the miscreants. 

 

At the school I was Science Link Governor, Queen Elizabeth, we had no problem with innapropriate behaviour. The school was exemplary, so much so that the County Education Authority felt it was too "exclusionary". even though the only requirement for attendance was a decent academic record, rich or poor. But its crime was that it reflected badly on the other school down the road.

 

It was a two year battle by our Committee to prevent them "amalgamating" both schools. We won, and the graduates (rich and poor) are still going on to do useful and productive things for society. They are still proud of their "ethos".

 

The other school I tought at was a mess. 30% teacher absentee rate with "stress". Which incidently, was how I got into the education business by invitation, when they were facing an OFSTED, and a severe shortage of teachers. It was at this school, where they had poor to no control over their students and teachers. I was told to stop sending disruptive students to the Head's Office. Malcolm, the Head, explained to me that we were there to do the best we could for them and their parents, and sending them home was NOT an option. Deal with it. We are all they have! (hence the high stress related teacher absence) He meant well, and we did the best we could under the circumstances, but having to cater to the disrupters, many students were deprived of a non disruptive environment in whch to learn. Enter that odd teacher to our Lincs school who's came from parts unknown, with no known (reported) background problems. Who despite being pulled from his classes, may still be out there somewhere, with still no formal investigative charges being filed.

 

While there, I was able to teach the curriculum, set up coursework files for each student, to a markable level, to the surprise of many, and received appreciation from the school, and especially at at Parent's Night. I was asked to stay on, despite the rumblings about not having a Teaching Certificate, required for Union Membership.

 

Challenging, sometimes frustrating, but very, very satifying to get appreciation from those that really cared!

 

Time the Teacher's Unions re-priorized their goals, from "battling long and hard to improve their professional status", to doing the job they are paid to do, namely providing a good education to help the sudents meet the demands of real life!

 

You'd be surprised at the rise in their "professional status", if they focused on getting rid of the bad apples, featherbedders, and other weak links in their profession, and subscribed to the "ethos" of more successful schools, instead of attacking them.

 

Status and respect cannot be regulated, it can only be earned! 

My my, you do get around.

 

In the space of the couple of threads, you appear to be a master economist with specialisms in the Dominican, a social scientist who knows all the intricacies in transgender issues, a qualified highways engineer who knows how to run Toronto traffic systems better than anyone, a chief legislator who knows all about how to sort out gun control better than the politicians and now seemingly an elite level teacher/governor whose actions on committees have not only been totally invaluable it appears single handedly saved the school.  

 

Anything more and you will be needing a cape.

Edited June 11, 2022 by ECCOnoob

[trastrick]

Just now, ECCOnoob said:

My my, you do get around.

 

In the space of the couple of threads, you appear to be a master economist with specialisms in the Dominican, a social scientist who knows all the intricacies in transgender issues, a qualified highways engineer who knows how to run Toronto traffic systems better than anyone, a chief legislator who knows all about how to sort out gun control better than the politicians and now seemingly an elite level teacher/governor whose actions on committees have not only been totally invaluable it appears single handedly saved the school.  

 

Anything more and you will be needing a cape.

Lol

 

That I do.  made it a lifetime goal!

 

Comes from a background of self education, and travel, and of course, my main career in Canada as a Project Management Consultant to all levels of (mostly liberal) government, and all the main Utility Companies.

 

After the first couple years, never had to sell my services. they came to me, as did the invite to teach in the UK in my semi-retirement.

 

I still keep a hand in at my brothers Insurance and Benefits Consulting Company when I'm available.

 

Nothing a young lad from Sheffield can't do, if he has common sense, and a wiilingness to work.

 

And doesn't listen to the naysayers in life!

 

It's nothing, really! 

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by trastrick

[Annie Bynnol]

4 hours ago, trastrick said:

And so it goes.

 

Blame "the governors", blame everybody but the miscreants. 

 

At the school I was Science Link Governor, Queen Elizabeth, we had no problem with innapropriate behaviour. The school was exemplary, so much so that the County Education Authority felt it was too "exclusionary". even though the only requirement for attendance was a decent academic record, rich or poor. But its crime was that it reflected badly on the other school down the road.

 

It was a two year battle by our Committee to prevent them "amalgamating" both schools. We won, and the graduates (rich and poor) are still going on to do useful and productive things for society. They are still proud of their "ethos".

 

The other school I tought at was a mess. 30% teacher absentee rate with "stress". Which incidently, was how I got into the education business by invitation, when they were facing an OFSTED, and a severe shortage of teachers. It was at this school, where they had poor to no control over their students and teachers. I was told to stop sending disruptive students to the Head's Office. Malcolm, the Head, explained to me that we were there to do the best we could for them and their parents, and sending them home was NOT an option. Deal with it. We are all they have! (hence the high stress related teacher absence) He meant well, and we did the best we could under the circumstances, but having to cater to the disrupters, many students were deprived of a non disruptive environment in whch to learn. Enter that odd teacher to our Lincs school who's came from parts unknown, with no known (reported) background problems. Who despite being pulled from his classes, may still be out there somewhere, with still no formal investigative charges being filed.

 

While there, I was able to teach the curriculum, set up coursework files for each student, to a markable level, to the surprise of many, and received appreciation from the school, and especially at at Parent's Night. I was asked to stay on, despite the rumblings about not having a Teaching Certificate, required for Union Membership.

 

Challenging, sometimes frustrating, but very, very satifying to get appreciation from those that really cared!

 

Time the Teacher's Unions re-priorized their goals, from "battling long and hard to improve their professional status", to doing the job they are paid to do, namely providing a good education to help the sudents meet the demands of real life!

 

You'd be surprised at the rise in their "professional status", if they focused on getting rid of the bad apples, featherbedders, and other weak links in their profession, and subscribed to the "ethos" of more successful schools, instead of attacking them.

 

Status and respect cannot be regulated, it can only be earned! 

In an attempt to squeeze in your politics you have moved away from the thread which was about safeguarding and provided a confusing CV of your three year illustrious career as a foreigner in English schools. This time you did not mention that you gave a "lifetime of service to the education community".

 

 

 

[ECCOnoob]

4 hours ago, trastrick said:

Lol

 

That I do.  made it a lifetime goal!

 

Comes from a background of self education, and travel, and of course, my main career in Canada as a Project Management Consultant to all levels of (mostly liberal) government, and all the main Utility Companies.

 

After the first couple years, never had to sell my services. they came to me, as did the invite to teach in the UK in my semi-retirement.

 

I still keep a hand in at my brothers Insurance and Benefits Consulting Company when I'm available.

 

Nothing a young lad from Sheffield can't do, if he has common sense, and a wiilingness to work.

 

And doesn't listen to the naysayers in life!

 

It's nothing, really! 

 

Jack of all trades. Master of ....

[Guest sibon]

10 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Jack of all trades. Master of ....

Baiting 😀

[trastrick]

Just now, ECCOnoob said:

Jack of all trades. Master of ....

My paying clients would not agree with you! 

 

Now THAT's the important stuff!

 

1 hour ago, Annie Bynnol said:

In an attempt to squeeze in your politics you have moved away from the thread which was about safeguarding and provided a confusing CV of your three year illustrious career as a foreigner in English schools. This time you did not mention that you gave a "lifetime of service to the education community".

 

 

 

No, I helped safeguard my students from a "groomer" in the teaching profession, who had managed to "slip through the cracks" of your so called onerous requirements to teach. (See above) Took me 3 months to get my Interpol (in those days) clearance. Not sure how he got his.

 

As to my apperently hand signed letter from Sir Charles Clarke, Minister of Education, to which I referred some time ago in a satirical way.  He congratulated me on my "dedication to education" on my retirement, although I was only there temporarily, a year and a bit. 

 

The important bit is the 12 quid a month I earned for a pension, which  is still being paid into an old bank account in the UK.

 

Looks like I'm getting the same kind of treatment from the left, that they use on "uppity blacks" who get out of the dependency swamp and vote republican.

 

Bring it on!

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by trastrick

[Magilla]

3 hours ago, sibon said:

Baiting 😀

Indeed... The lady doth protest too much, methinks

[Annie Bynnol]

55 minutes ago, trastrick said:

No, I helped safeguard my students from a "groomer" in the teaching profession, who had managed to "slip through the cracks" of your so called onerous requirements to teach. (See above) Took me 3 months to get my Interpol (in those days) clearance. Not sure how he got his.

 

As to my apperently hand signed letter from Sir Charles Clarke, Minister of Education, to which I referred some time ago in a satirical way.  He congratulated me on my "dedication to education" on my retirement, although I was only there temporarily, a year and a bit. 

 

The important bit is the 12 quid a month I earned for a pension, which  is still being paid into an old bank account in the UK.

 

Looks like I'm getting the same kind of treatment from the left, that they use on "uppity blacks" who get out of the dependency swamp and vote republican.

 

Bring it on!

 

Thank you for clarifying that your teaching experience in the English education system is limited to a year in a small, selective rural school, where management and their governors apparently did not implement a satisfactory safeguarding policy in respect to recruitment.  

A member of staff who did nothing and stood by and ignored "...instances where a repeat offender (teacher) was just shuffled off to the next jurisdiction by the powers that be, to avoid controversy, and keep the Union happy..." would be guilty morally and legally.  It would not be excused by inexperience.

 

In England it is vital that an individual teacher or other adult working in the school has legal support, the schools do not provide this and they would actively encourage their staff to become members of a union/association/professional body that provides this. The union might be in a position where it would have to absorb legal and office costs of  £tens of thousands+.  The insurers would not accept a client(the union) that would condone the illegal and immoral behaviour of Governors and Management.

 

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