Chekhov Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, trastrick said: As a parent, I'd be just as concerned with teachers that keep students after hours, behind closed doors, for "special tuition", counselling, and rehearsals. Far more opportunities for sexual misconduct, than a proud mom and dad with a camera, in the audience of a school play! But that's just me! Absolutely T. in fact it's unarguable Edited June 10, 2022 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, trastrick said: As a parent, I'd be just as concerned with teachers that keep students after hours, behind closed doors, for "special tuition", counselling, and rehearsals. Far more opportunities for sexual misconduct, than a proud mom and dad with a camera, in the audience of a school play! But that's just me! That depends upon how and where it is done. Good practice dictates that one to one work isn’t a good idea. Far better to have a group of kids and/or more than one teacher present. Finding an open place to do the tuition also helps. Don’t forget that the rubbish modern world also dictates that all UK state school teachers pass an enhanced DBS check every couple of years. That may, or may not, be considered to be disproportionate by some. Edited June 10, 2022 by sibon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) Just now, sibon said: That depends upon how and where it is done. Good practice dictates that one to one work isn’t a good idea. Far better to have a group of kids and/or more than one teacher present. Don’t forget that the rubbish modern world also dictates that all UK stare school teachers pass an enhanced DBS check first. That may, or may not, be considered to be disproportionate by some. Yeah, we know! A random search. Page 1 Teacher and partner jailed after they filmed themselves ... https://www.theguardian.com › uk-news › dec › teacher... Dec 22, 2021 — Julie Morris, who was head of safeguarding at primary school, admitted 18 child sexual abuse offences. Teacher extradited from Spain found guilty of sex abuse - BBC https://www.bbc.com › news › uk-scotland-60168634 Jan 28, 2022 — James Berry was brought back to Scotland three years ago to face crimes of abuse against two women. 500 FEMALE TEACHER-STUDENT SEX PREDATORS https://canadiancrc.com › FEMALE_TEACHER_SEX_... 500 Female Teacher Sex Offenders - Female Teacher Sex Crime Cases. It wasn't that long ago that female on male sexual violence wouldn't have resulted in ... At least 135 teachers, aides charged with child sex ... - Fox News https://www.foxnews.com › 135-teachers-charged-child-s... May 19, 2022 — At least 135 teachers and teachers' aides have been arrested so far this year on child sex-related crimes in 41 states across the country. Sexual Abuse by Teachers is on the Rise - The Children's ... https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com › Blog Jul 11, 2017 — Sexual abuse by teachers is on the rise, but why are we suddenly seeing an increase in sexual misconduct and a spike in teacher/student ... Teachers who sexually abuse students still find classroom jobs https://www.usatoday.com › story › news › 2016/12/22 Dec 22, 2016 — School officials in East Texas didn't want Kip McFarlin around their students. For years, he had crossed the line in conversations with ... School District Investigates Claims of Longtime Sexual ... https://www.nytimes.com › 2021/12/08 › nyregion › bab... Dec 8, 2021 — Six teachers from Babylon High School have been placed on leave as the investigation continues and alumnae come forward with claims. I'll dispense with my usual satirical smily here. The conversation is getting ridiculous! Edited June 10, 2022 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, trastrick said: Yeah, we know! A random search. Page 1 Teacher and partner jailed after they filmed themselves ... https://www.theguardian.com › uk-news › dec › teacher... Dec 22, 2021 — Julie Morris, who was head of safeguarding at primary school, admitted 18 child sexual abuse offences. Teacher extradited from Spain found guilty of sex abuse - BBC https://www.bbc.com › news › uk-scotland-60168634 Jan 28, 2022 — James Berry was brought back to Scotland three years ago to face crimes of abuse against two women. 500 FEMALE TEACHER-STUDENT SEX PREDATORS https://canadiancrc.com › FEMALE_TEACHER_SEX_... 500 Female Teacher Sex Offenders - Female Teacher Sex Crime Cases. It wasn't that long ago that female on male sexual violence wouldn't have resulted in ... At least 135 teachers, aides charged with child sex ... - Fox News https://www.foxnews.com › 135-teachers-charged-child-s... May 19, 2022 — At least 135 teachers and teachers' aides have been arrested so far this year on child sex-related crimes in 41 states across the country. Sexual Abuse by Teachers is on the Rise - The Children's ... https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com › Blog Jul 11, 2017 — Sexual abuse by teachers is on the rise, but why are we suddenly seeing an increase in sexual misconduct and a spike in teacher/student ... Teachers who sexually abuse students still find classroom jobs https://www.usatoday.com › story › news › 2016/12/22 Dec 22, 2016 — School officials in East Texas didn't want Kip McFarlin around their students. For years, he had crossed the line in conversations with ... School District Investigates Claims of Longtime Sexual ... https://www.nytimes.com › 2021/12/08 › nyregion › bab... Dec 8, 2021 — Six teachers from Babylon High School have been placed on leave as the investigation continues and alumnae come forward with claims. I'll dispense with my usual satirical smily here. The conversation is getting ridiculous! Nobody is saying that this stuff doesn’t happen. That’s why child protection measures are required. Some people seem to think that we should take a more relaxed attitude to child protection. I’m not one of those people. Edited June 10, 2022 by sibon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Chekhov said: I don't believe it, not the answer which I think is incomprehensible, no the fact Sibon has actually answered a question. Though it has just been pointed out to me by a work colleague that he hasn't actually, he is talking about being slapped in the face or slapped on the arse, which was not the question. Just to clarify what we mean, and it was in the original question, would you rather be punched in the face (and have your nose broken than) or have your arse slapped. Also I was originally talking of an adult so there are no paedophilic overtones, which would obviously be a totally different ball game. I wonder if your kids would agree ? If they do it can only be because they have been repeatedly told if you get slapped on the arse its' incredibly demeaning and you should feel humiliated. It's not about how hard the violence is, it's what it represents. If you punched in the face you probably deserve it. A slap on the are means a woman is seen as nothing but a man's plaything, toy, and a slap on the arse no matter how playful is destroying her rightful privacy, especially if it's not wanted. It's an invasion of her body and rightfully can be classed as assault, try doing it to a police woman and let us know what happens. It's called being civilised, we've moved on from hitting women over the head with a club and dragging them to your cave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Just now, sibon said: Nobody is saying that this stuff doesn’t happen. That’s why child protection measures are required. Some people seem to think that we should take a more relaxed attitude to child protection. I’m not one of those people. Yeah! Well you be worried about proud parents with a camera at a school play! I'll be worried about the real pervs out there. Don’t forget that the rubbish modern world also dictates that all UK stare school teachers pass an enhanced DBS check first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, trastrick said: Yeah! Well you be worried about proud parents with a camera at a school play! I'll be worried about the real pervs out there. Maybe you should think a little harder about the link between the two. Edited June 10, 2022 by sibon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Well, you be worried about proud parents with a camera at a school play! As a parent, I'll be worried about the real pervs out there. You say, "Don’t forget that the rubbish modern world also dictates that all UK stare school teachers pass an enhanced DBS check first". Yep. There's a regulation for that, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, sibon said: That depends upon how and where it is done. Good practice dictates that one to one work isn’t a good idea. Far better to have a group of kids and/or more than one teacher present. Finding an open place to do the tuition also helps. Don’t forget that the rubbish modern world also dictates that all UK state school teachers pass an enhanced DBS check every couple of years. That may, or may not, be considered to be disproportionate by some. It's funny you should mention that. My wife wanted to go as a helper on a school trip to a museum. Despite being a mother of a child on the same trip, and there being a couple of teachers there, 30 other kids and (for most of it) a few museum staff, she had to have an enhanced DBS check. The latter involved her having to take the original copies of a load of personal documents up to the school. Worse still, the school said that if she had not been on a trip or anything for three months ( I think it was) she has to do it all over again for the next one, so it may be the only trip she ever goes on...... Even the school admitted it was a hell of a lot of hassle. Oh yes, the punch line, she works for the NHS and already has DBS check, but, for some reason that was not enough. Proportionate ? No, it is not. A bit like me not being allowed to see my lad having his school swimming lesson (despite the fact there was a public viewing gallery at the pool, it's not like you'd be on the poolside....) what exactly do they think is going to happen ? I would like to know exactly how many kids have been saved from anything by all this anyway, does anyone know ? PS Even after all that I'm sure she won't be allowed to take any pics....... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ trastrick said: Yeah! Well you be worried about proud parents with a camera at a school play! I'll be worried about the real pervs out there. 12 minutes ago, sibon said: Maybe you should think a little harder about the link between the two. There is very little if any link, The Guardian article puts it very well : The spread of photo bans is not really a response to child abusers stalking school sports days. Instead, it reflects the contamination of everyday adult-child relations – and the new assumption, as the children's author Philip Pullman put it, that "the default position of one human being to another is predatory rather than kindness". Any adult looking through the viewfinder at a child is viewed as potentially sinister and in need of regulation. Edited June 10, 2022 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, melthebell said: It's not about how hard the violence is, it's what it represents. If you punched in the face you probably deserve it. A slap on the are means a woman is seen as nothing but a man's plaything, toy, and a slap on the arse no matter how playful is destroying her rightful privacy, especially if it's not wanted. It's an invasion of her body and rightfully can be classed as assault, try doing it to a police woman and let us know what happens. It's called being civilised, we've moved on from hitting women over the head with a club and dragging them to your cave "If someone is punched in the face they probably deserve it." I've heard it all now. You can come out with all the PC crap you want, I'd rather be slapped on the arse than have my nose broken by someone punching me in the face. Any normal person would. And the fact that, apparently, slapping people on the arse results in, effectively, a more severe punishment is absolute madness. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum. Edited June 10, 2022 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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