Guest sibon Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, RJRB said: What sort of emergency might that be? I am struggling to come up with a scenario that demands that windows must open whilst a train is in motion. Sometimes you need to look backwards to see if the baddies are running across the roof, or trying to decouple some carriages to send them crashing down a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, sibon said: Sometimes you need to look backwards to see if the baddies are running across the roof, or trying to decouple some carriages to send them crashing down a mountain. 😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, sibon said: Sometimes you need to look backwards to see if the baddies are running across the roof, or trying to decouple some carriages to send them crashing down a mountain. But wing mirrors and periscopes would be a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Just now, RJRB said: But wing mirrors and periscopes would be a possibility. Safety is not a laughing matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, trastrick said: I hope exceptions be made for Engineers and train staff, who may have to pop their head out of the train in an emergency? Or would you consider that to be just "meaningless" common sense? Clueless. In what circumstances would a professional "...pop their head out of the train..." travelling at 125mph with a chance that another is passing at 125mph? There are circumstances on the mainline when a driver/guard must exit the train and they do it properly- which includes the train being stopped. In the case of complete loss of visibility from the cab your job would be to bring the train to a complete halt safely. Inform the signaller and guard and follow the appropriate rule for that route/traction. In the case of an incapacitated driver, the train would stop at(red) or after the next signal. The rules in a station or yard may allow a driver/proper Guard to open the cab window and communicate with signallers, shunters, PW staff, despatchers etc. at very low speeds. The rules on heritage lines are different as the line speed are limited. Steam engines operating on the mainline have all the signalling technology of modern traction thus reducing to a minimum any need to 'lean out' to find signals in the murk. Railway Engineers in British English does not include the train drivers. Drivers, proper guards, professional Engineers whose work requires them to be on trains will be fully acquainted and knowledgeable of keeping themselves and others safe. The dynamic 'Rule Book' and 'Line Knowledge' and 'Performance' has been an essential part of training since for nearly 200 years and ensured that GB rail network is the safest in the world. It has been railway culture to build on what is learnt from every incident and either remove or mitigate the cause through design, practice, technology etc. The most recent passenger deaths on moving trains have involved open windows and a signal post and a tree branch. 34 minutes ago, RJRB said: But wing mirrors and periscopes would be a possibility. CCTV is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said: Clueless. In what circumstances would a professional "...pop their head out of the train..." travelling at 125mph with a chance that another is passing at 125mph? There are circumstances on the mainline when a driver/guard must exit the train and they do it properly- which includes the train being stopped. In the case of complete loss of visibility from the cab your job would be to bring the train to a complete halt safely. Inform the signaller and guard and follow the appropriate rule for that route/traction. In the case of an incapacitated driver, the train would stop at(red) or after the next signal. The rules in a station or yard may allow a driver/proper Guard to open the cab window and communicate with signallers, shunters, PW staff, despatchers etc. at very low speeds. The rules on heritage lines are different as the line speed are limited. Steam engines operating on the mainline have all the signalling technology of modern traction thus reducing to a minimum any need to 'lean out' to find signals in the murk. Railway Engineers in British English does not include the train drivers. Drivers, proper guards, professional Engineers whose work requires them to be on trains will be fully acquainted and knowledgeable of keeping themselves and others safe. The dynamic 'Rule Book' and 'Line Knowledge' and 'Performance' has been an essential part of training since for nearly 200 years and ensured that GB rail network is the safest in the world. It has been railway culture to build on what is learnt from every incident and either remove or mitigate the cause through design, practice, technology etc. The most recent passenger deaths on moving trains have involved open windows and a signal post and a tree branch. CCTV is available. It is indeed a complicated business. Looks like it should be exported to your former colony. All lives matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 hours ago, trastrick said: It is indeed a complicated business. Looks like it should be exported to your former colony. All lives matter! What should be exported? To which former colony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said: What should be exported? To which former colony? I would maybe start with your: "The dynamic 'Rule Book' and 'Line Knowledge' and 'Performance' has been an essential part of training since for nearly 200 years and ensured that GB rail network is the safest in the world. It has been railway culture to build on what is learnt from every incident and either remove or mitigate the cause through design, practice, technology etc." And its Bus Riders regulation handbook equivalent. I would start with Bangladesh and work from there. All lives matter! Edited June 22, 2022 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 That bloke at the front of the bus has his head stuck out of the window. What an idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carosio Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, RJRB said: That bloke at the front of the bus has his head stuck out of the window. What an idiot! Appears to be a "men only" train and bus. Sexist or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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