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[Guest busdriver1]

13 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Times change, places change, businesses change with them.

 

You can’t plan a city centre around one business.

Indeed, this is obviously a one off and no other businesses are doing this are they?

[blackydog]

57 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

The city centre has problems that all towns and cities are facing. The city centre is also not just about shops. You can’t just compare it to a shopping centre. There are other businesses, offices, universities, hotels, leisure facilities etc etc and people live there.
 

As you suggest, it’s the overall “offer” of a place which determines how attractive a place is to visitors. People visiting town and city centres expect to pay for parking. There isn’t a town or city of any size that I know of that gives free parking. (Nothing is free, it has a cost associated with it).

 

The on street parking is on streets, so of course it’s scattered around. It’s only a small proportion of the overall amount of parking in the city centre. The car parks are well signed, conveniently placed and easy to get to from the inner ring road.

But they all carry on with the same plan?

 

The Attercliffe (Meadowhall) area has lots of different types of premises, including private houses and businesses, not only shops. You are allowed to drive to most of them, without going around in ever decreasing circles, and park for free when you get there. Buses go there, trains go there, cars go there. What is the difference? 

All "you" are doing with the restrictions in Sheffield city centre, is moving everything to another location, and in doing so 

transferring the issues associated with Sheffield city centre, to somewhere else. 

So once you have killed all the businesses in Sheffield, you can start again killing Meadowhall area for the same reasons. 

 

You come across as extremely biased and blinkered.

[Planner1]

23 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

Indeed, this is obviously a one off and no other businesses are doing this are they?

What point are you trying to make here?

[HeHasRisen]

8 minutes ago, blackydog said:

But they all carry on with the same plan?

 

The Attercliffe (Meadowhall) area has lots of different types of premises, including private houses and businesses, not only shops. You are allowed to drive to most of them, without going around in ever decreasing circles, and park for free when you get there. Buses go there, trains go there, cars go there. What is the difference? 

All "you" are doing with the restrictions in Sheffield city centre, is moving everything to another location, and in doing so 

transferring the issues associated with Sheffield city centre, to somewhere else. 

So once you have killed all the businesses in Sheffield, you can start again killing Meadowhall area for the same reasons. 

 

You come across as extremely biased and blinkered.

Suburbs of a city in having less parking restrictions than a centre of a city shocker.

[Planner1]

2 minutes ago, blackydog said:

But they all carry on with the same plan?

 

The Attercliffe (Meadowhall) area has lots of different types of premises, including private houses and businesses, not only shops. You are allowed to drive to most of them, without going around in ever decreasing circles, and park for free when you get there. Buses go there, trains go there, cars go there. What is the difference? 

All "you" are doing with the restrictions in Sheffield city centre, is moving everything to another location, and in doing so 

transferring the issues associated with Sheffield city centre, to somewhere else. 

So once you have killed all the businesses in Sheffield, you can start again killing Meadowhall area for the same reasons. 

 

You come across as extremely biased and blinkered.

Most cities are doing pretty much the same things as you see here.

 

What restrictions have they got in Sheffield that you don’t see in other cities?

 

Meadowhall, they have a ring road, just like the city centre. From the Meadowhall ring road there are access loops, just like the city centre. You can’t drive straight through the centre of Meadowhall just like the city centre. You can’t drive down the main shopping area in Meadowhall, just like in the city centre. There are traffic signals and waiting restrictions at Meadowhall and traffic congestion, just like the city centre.

 

Meadowhall was planned, designed and built as a shopping and leisure centre, with lots of parking spaces and right next to a motorway. The business model they follow says they give free parking, that’s up to them, it’s private land. There’s a cost to providing it, but the centre owners get that back from the businesses.

 

You seem to be trying to make some point that traffic restrictions are killing the city centre? Most towns and cities in this country and elsewhere are struggling with changes to how we live and shop. Giving free parking or opening all streets to traffic won’t change that and you’re the one who’s blinkered if you can’t see it.

 

You can expect to see more restrictions on car use, not less. That is the way central government policy is going, here in the UK and elsewhere.

[harvey19]

If it wasn’t for the car park at Atkinsons I doubt if we would come to town.

[cuttsie]

2 hours ago, cuttsie said:

We were working on a scaffold on Burnaby Street , When A official rom the council turned up to inspect the Scaffold , 

i knew him he used to work at Firth Browns. in the wages dept . His name is Louie , 

 

I said  "Whats tha know about scaffolding "  His reply  "Its not what you  know but who you know".

This was brought home to me when my own brother in law got a job as building dangerious structure officer in Poole , He had been in the Navy all his life

Planner. 1 ???????????????

[blackydog]

10 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Most cities are doing pretty much the same things as you see here.

 

What restrictions have they got in Sheffield that you don’t see in other cities?

 

Meadowhall, they have a ring road, just like the city centre. From the Meadowhall ring road there are access loops, just like the city centre. You can’t drive straight through the centre of Meadowhall just like the city centre. You can’t drive down the main shopping area in Meadowhall, just like in the city centre. There are traffic signals and waiting restrictions at Meadowhall and traffic congestion, just like the city centre.

 

Meadowhall was planned, designed and built as a shopping and leisure centre, with lots of parking spaces and right next to a motorway. The business model they follow says they give free parking, that’s up to them, it’s private land. There’s a cost to providing it, but the centre owners get that back from the businesses.

 

You seem to be trying to make some point that traffic restrictions are killing the city centre? Most towns and cities in this country and elsewhere are struggling with changes to how we live and shop. Giving free parking or opening all streets to traffic won’t change that and you’re the one who’s blinkered if you can’t see it.

 

You can expect to see more restrictions on car use, not less. That is the way central government policy is going, here in the UK and elsewhere.

Traffic restrictions are killing the city centre. They have been since the "Wedge" policies back in the 90s. Was the government driving Sheffield CC to do that back then, or were they just very fore-sighted 😆

Of course the SCC execs kept their free parking, (maybe still do) whilst wanting to deter all others. 

 

Free parking and (relative) ease of access, seems to work for Meadowhall but wouldn't work for the city centre? 

 

When "you" have finally encouraged all visitors to the city centre to go to Meadowhall instead, and the pollution levels are through the roof there, are "you" then going to start applying the traffic restrictions there? After all, that's what the restrictions are about aren't they?

 

 

21 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

If it wasn’t for the car park at Atkinsons I doubt if we would come to town.

Would you care to expand on the reasons why? From what I'm being told, the parking in the city centre is easy to access, and reasonably priced.

[cuttsie]

1 hour ago, Planner1 said:

Times change, places change, businesses change with them.

 

You can’t plan a city centre around one business.

Like planning around Atkinsons at Moor Foot , when every thing else was at other end of Town , 

Its not what you know comes to mind once again .

[Guest busdriver1]

9 hours ago, Planner1 said:

What point are you trying to make here?

The fact you have answered my point in this way says it all.