Fir Vale - Litter Issues

[nikki-red]

14 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

I would also like to know why, if they are not refugees or asylum seekers, are they living there.

Someone must have sanctioned their entry into this country so who would that be?

It's long past the time when we should have re-introduced identity cards so that we know who everyone is, where they came from and why.

We would then know the true scale of illegal immigrants living among us.

At the same time, we should make clear, that anyone granted the right to enter this country, is only allowed as long as they obey our laws and by-laws.

As Carosio said in the post before yours, they came here perfectly legitimately under the EU's Freedom of Movement laws.

[hackey lad]

2 hours ago, sibon said:

Probably because it isn’t really a difficult problem.

 

Step 1. Throw some resources at the problem and have a proper clean up. 

 

Step 2. Throw a few more resources at it and arrest/fine/jail anyone  who messes the area up again.  
 

It might ruffle a few feathers, but I bet that most people would be glad of some action.

They have been doing that for years and no difference 

[Guest sibon]

7 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

They have been doing that for years and no difference 

Clearly not stage 2. 

[hackey lad]

13 minutes ago, sibon said:

Clearly not stage 2. 

No but the throwing resources bit has , must have cost hundreds of thousands and no change

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, sibon said:

Clearly not stage 2. 

Dead simple.

Catch them and punish them.

It's just a case of both council and police being afraid of the "racist" label.

That must be tackled because we cannot allow any section of society to do as they please in case they scream "racist".

We have had many years of a "Law & Order" government in power.

Just look around because they could have fooled me.

Another problem is how this turns from a street / area cleanliness issue into a racist or immigration issue instead so, ALL citizens must be made to conform to our rules and laws.

 

[prince al]

1 hour ago, nikki-red said:

As Carosio said in the post before yours, they came here perfectly legitimately under the EU's Freedom of Movement laws.

Yes agreed but the Nation’s majority voted to withdraw from EU partly because of the said issues. The rules have changed.

[hackey lad]

19 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Dead simple.

Catch them and punish them.

It's just a case of both council and police being afraid of the "racist" label.

That must be tackled because we cannot allow any section of society to do as they please in case they scream "racist".

We have had many years of a "Law & Order" government in power.

Just look around because they could have fooled me.

Another problem is how this turns from a street / area cleanliness issue into a racist or immigration issue instead so, ALL citizens must be made to conform to our rules and laws.

 

If the council give someone an on the spot fine for littering, how do they know who they are giving it to  ?

[HeHasRisen]

These are the type of people who:

 

a) will pretend not to understand English when challenged

b) give fake details

c) not pay fines

d) a combination of the above.

18 minutes ago, prince al said:

Yes agreed but the Nation’s majority voted to withdraw from EU partly because of the said issues. The rules have changed.

I live on the same street as an Italian, a Finn, a Dutchman and a Czech. Should they all now be booted out of the country?

[hackey lad]

9 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

These are the type of people who:

 

a) will pretend not to understand English when challenged

b) give fake details

c) not pay fines

d) a combination of the above.

I live on the same street as an Italian, a Finn, a Dutchman and a Czech. Should they all now be booted out of the country?

Any English on that small street  ? 😃

Edited June 11, 2022 by hackey lad

[Guest]

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

If the council give someone an on the spot fine for littering, how do they know who they are giving it to  ?

Don't really understand your question because I would expect that they don't just give fines out without getting peoples details.

If I had my way, everything would be much easier anyway because I would bring back identity cards and make people carry them.

If you are thinking  of a token punishment like a £50 fine then, forget that because that will take too long  to have a real effect.

Think of a £200 fine for first offence and then rising plus 10 community hours cleaning up after any offence.

They would soon learn.

1 hour ago, HeHasRisen said:

These are the type of people who:

 

a) will pretend not to understand English when challenged

b) give fake details

c) not pay fines

d) a combination of the above.

I live on the same street as an Italian, a Finn, a Dutchman and a Czech. Should they all now be booted out of the country?

Arrest them to get details.

Should they be booted out?    YES  if they offend more than once or do not co-operate with Authorities.

they only mess us about because we let them.