Scotland And The Uk

[Annie Bynnol]

31 minutes ago, L00b said:

Well, that issue -and so many others- is now set for resolution next year
 

Scotland’s Indyref 2 is now scheduled for 23 October 2023.

The 'referendum' proposal for October 2023 is a political move/stunt by the SNP.

The purpose is to create a nationalist momentum within Scotland just ahead of a General Election.

Their proposed 'referendum' has no legal meaning.

For a meaningful referendum on 'independence'  to take place an Act of Parliament would be required and the UK Government has repeatedly said 'no' to this.

[L00b]

19 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

The 'referendum' proposal for October 2023 is a political move/stunt by the SNP.

The purpose is to create a nationalist momentum within Scotland just ahead of a General Election.

Their proposed 'referendum' has no legal meaning.

For a meaningful referendum on 'independence'  to take place an Act of Parliament would be required and the UK Government has repeatedly said 'no' to this.

That is, unsurprisingly, anything but a clear-cut position:

 

https://www.lcil.cam.ac.uk/blog/could-scotland-stage-independence-referendum-without-uk-approval-what-law-says-prof-marc-weller

 

Slava Nicola! ✊🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿😆

[Dromedary]

10 hours ago, L00b said:

That is, unsurprisingly, anything but a clear-cut position:

 

https://www.lcil.cam.ac.uk/blog/could-scotland-stage-independence-referendum-without-uk-approval-what-law-says-prof-marc-weller

 

Slava Nicola! ✊🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿😆

All referendums in the UK are advisory so Scotland can have as many as it likes, providing it can afford them of course. The problem then is that the UK parliament will need to pass legislation to enable any outcome to pass into law, just like they did with the EU referendum. Until that takes place then Scotland cannot become legally independent which means there can be no chance of it joining the EU.  

Edited June 16, 2022 by Dromedary

[Baron99]

I'm not up to speed with what Sturgeon has announced yet but has she mentioned 'Their oil' yet & how its going to fund EVERYTHING? 

 

Even the Saudi's are diversifying, realising the glory days of oil & gas are numbered. 

[hackey lad]

5 hours ago, L00b said:

That is, unsurprisingly, anything but a clear-cut position:

 

https://www.lcil.cam.ac.uk/blog/could-scotland-stage-independence-referendum-without-uk-approval-what-law-says-prof-marc-weller

 

Slava Nicola! ✊🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿😆

What is your interest in this ?

[L00b]

11 hours ago, hackey lad said:

What is your interest in this ?

I’m a strong believer in participative democracy and, within that, people’s fundamental right to self-determination.

 

What about yours?

14 hours ago, West 77 said:

Scotland hasn't got the authority to set a schedule date or approval  for another independence referendum.  The best the SNP can hope for is a hung parliament after the next general election and giving support to an English political party to govern the UK in return for another Scottish independence referendum being held.

You and others keep stating that, as if it were fact.
 

It is not, and the link I posted earlier is merely one example amongst thousands of others written (by experts) on the topic of Scotland’s right to self-determination since the EU Referendum (that which famously brought about the ‘material change’ vindicating Scotland’s position post-2014).

 

Scotland would rather go through the exercise consensually with Westminster, and so obtain the S30 ‘permission’ <etc>, for an easier life with its neighbour down the road.
 

But if Westminster should show itself to be intractable (and the signalling so far points to that, unsurprisingly), Scotland does not have to get any permission, it could just proceed with its referendum regardless, and then rely on international law (Treaties and ICJ case law) and recognition by foreign countries for validation.

Then it’d be up to Westminster to roll the tanks onto Holyrood’s lawn for denying the Scottish people their Will - or not.

 

Do you think Scottish people, if a majority of them voted for independence in an IndyRef 2 (sanctioned by Westminster or not, irrespective), should be denied their Will?

Edited June 16, 2022 by L00b

[hauxwell]

I don’t want to see an independent Scotland.  I was listening to one economist who said it’s the English economy who will suffer if Scotland became independent.   How would they sort it all out if Scotland became independent, it’ll be a total nightmare that could take years to sort.

 

They are not just dependent on gas and oil they have other industries also they haven’t got an over bloated population as we have. 

Edited June 16, 2022 by hauxwell

[Dromedary]

7 hours ago, L00b said:

....

Scotland would rather go through the exercise consensually with Westminster, and so obtain the S30 ‘permission’ <etc>, for an easier life with its neighbour down the road.
 

But if Westminster should show itself to be intractable (and the signalling so far points to that, unsurprisingly), Scotland does not have to get any permission, it could just proceed with its referendum regardless, and then rely on international law (Treaties and ICJ case law) and recognition by foreign countries for validation.

....

If they do proceed with a referendum regardless and do get a positive leave result then they would have no chance of joining the EU and that's probably why they have to go down the Westminster route.

 

You do talk some waffle sometimes, next you will be suggesting that NI do the same, have a referendum and join Ireland.... 

 

7 hours ago, L00b said:

I’m a strong believer in participative democracy and, within that, people’s fundamental right to self-determination.

It's a pity that in the UK we have a representative democracy then.

[Dromedary]

No such thing as a de facto referendum....

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20244615.snp-dealt-blow-constitutional-expert-warns-theres-no-thing-de-facto-referendum/