Meritocracy V 'Positive Discrimination'

[Chekhov]

It has just been reported by R4's Today programme that there has just been a poll by Conservative members (on Conservative Home) as to which of the leadership candidates was their preference.

There was no white male in the top 5.

Shall we also remind ourselves that the Tories have had two female leaders (= Prime ministers).

Now, apart from the fact this rather contradicts the stereotype of racist sexist Conservatives, this result surely proves that positive discrimination - e.g. compulsory numbers of women on short lists etc * - (favoured by the Labour party) is not only discriminatory and patronising, it doesn't work.

 

* In fact Labour had compulsory all women short lists since 1997.

Labour used all-women shortlists to select candidates in half of all winnable seats for the 1997 general election,

How discriminatory and patronising is that ?

Staggering.....

 

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by Chekhov

[HeHasRisen]

I dont think this is due to "positive discrimination" in action, this is only due to

 

- the fact that only 11 people have put their names forward

- some of these happen to be female

- of the rest, all of the white males just aren't that popular within the party.

 

Move on nothing to see here. Yet again you are reading far too much into things, do you need to start a thread for every thought that enters your head?

Edited July 12, 2022 by HeHasRisen

[cgksheff]

I'm staggered by your lack of outrage. 😜

[melthebell]

These candidates have put themselves forward, not the party.

 

[HeHasRisen]

End of thread. Can we get this locked, please?

[Chekhov]

1 hour ago, HeHasRisen said:

I dont think this is due to "positive discrimination" in action, this is only due to

 

- the fact that only 11 people have put their names forward

- some of these happen to be female

- of the rest, all of the white males just aren't that popular within the party.

 

Move on nothing to see here. Yet again you are reading far too much into things, do you need to start a thread for every thought that enters your head?

How can you possibly say that ?

Great way to avoid the point / question I think.

 

Fact 1 :

The top 5 most popular candidates  (of the 11 remaining candidates for the Tory leadership) amongst the Tory membership are either women, or non white, or both.

 

Fact 2 :

Tories have had two female leaders (= Prime ministers) and the Labour party none

 

Labour, and many do gooder PC types, are all for "positive discrimination" (which is both discriminatory and patronising) but that has been proven to be so much virtue signalling hot air.

 

36 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

End of thread. Can we get this locked, please?

The above post is an absolute disgrace, and shows how weak your case is that you want to use censorship to shut down debate. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Do you not realise what the optics of your request are ?

Edited July 12, 2022 by Chekhov

[HeHasRisen]

3 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

How can you possibly say that ?

Great way to avoid the point / question I think.

 

 

 

 

 

The fact being there isnt REALLY a point here is there? All 11 put themselves forward. They werent chosen. Its a thread about absolutely nothing. What else is there to discuss?  You could maybe ask why more white males didnt see it fit to put themselves into the hat but nobody here can probably answer that.

Edited July 12, 2022 by HeHasRisen

[Chekhov]

51 minutes ago, melthebell said:

These candidates have put themselves forward, not the party.

I realise that, which is yet another point in favour of meritocracy, that all these non white and/or women think they have a chance

Edited July 12, 2022 by Chekhov

[steve68]

Just now, Chekhov said:

 all these non white and/or women think they have a chance

and why shouldn't they?

[Chekhov]

7 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

The fact being there isnt REALLY a point here is there? All 11 put themselves forward. They werent chosen. Its a thread about absolutely nothing. What else is there to discuss?  You could maybe ask why more white males didnt see it fit to put themselves into the hat but nobody here can probably answer that.

Oh there is a point and you have made  a very good supplementary one, only 3 of the 11 remaining candidates are white men,so  all those 8 non whites / women in the "racist sexist" Tory party feel they have a chance of being PM.

And without discriminatory positive discrimination.

Meritocracy indeed.

 

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Chekhov said:  "all these non white and/or women think they have a chance"

5 minutes ago, steve68 said:

and why shouldn't they?

Exactly. In a meritocracy. No discriminatory positive discrimination required.

Edited July 12, 2022 by Chekhov