Another Parking Issue.

[Bargepole23]

1 hour ago, Ashcroft said:

The permits for the flats are limited to two cars. Most have just the one apart from the taxi drivers.  The grass verges on the estate are useless to anyone anyways and it costs the council more to maintain them.  If trees and grass are important to you get intouch with an estate agent and see if they can find you somewhere in the country side.

Grass verges are useless?? How bizzare. Standard motorist, thinks the world revolves around them and their car.

36 minutes ago, Man in Crete said:

What is exactly you have been smoking to come up with such absolute nonsense? How many bicycles per family would your eutopia allow? Would we all have wear the same uniform? Would we be allowed out at a time of our own choosing? Where would I park my horse and cart?

ha ha cycling rules ok! 

Where has any of this stuff that you've made up been mentioned, apart from in your head?

[Ashcroft]

14 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Grass verges are useless?? How bizzare. Standard motorist, thinks the world revolves around them and their car.

 

I dont think all grass verges are useless. Just the ones around this estate. Theres only residents and people that take a short cut through the flats that see them.  I like nature. If an estate agent moved me to a stately home I would probably dig up most of the concrete or tar and let nature take its course. Having said that the problem would remain on the estate but not for me.

 

[Planner1]

14 hours ago, Ashcroft said:

My issue with parking in the Lansdown estate (bottom of Sharrow) We have to buy a permit for parking wich is fair enough. BUT There are 76 spaces for 980 homes. I know not every home will own a car but a hell of a lot do.  In those limited spaces there are usually council vehicles parked in them and for most anyone can park if they pay and display.  Some residents have to park a 20 minute walk away from home and sometimes still have to pay and display ontop of the permit which dont apply in other areas. It seems unfair to me for permit holders in the area and the council are just not interested. There are lots of grass verges that could be turned into parking bays but the council would just rather issue pcn's. Surely they would get the revenue back from extra bays.

Are you in the Landsdowne flats?

 

As I understand it from the Council website, flats permit holders can park in the adjacent Landsdowne permit zone, but Landsdowne permit holders can’t park in the flats.

 

In very built up areas like yours, green space is at a premium and some people value it very highly, many are therefore likely to object to any proposal to tarmac it over for parking,  so I would doubt very much whether your suggestion would get anywhere.

 

When the on-street permit zone was originally introduced it was much bigger and permit holders could park anywhere within it. The parking within the flats and permits for it were entirely separate from the wider on street permit zone. However when the Lib-Dems were in power they decided to split it into several smaller areas and restrict where each zones permits were valid. From memory I recall that there were issues with permit holders from the outer areas of the zone using the streets in the zone near the city centre for commuter parking, which prompted complaints.

 

These areas are difficult for the council due to the high demand for permits. They normally allow one or two per household, but only give more than that if it is identified that there is enough space to accommodate the extra parking. 
 

The council don’t do any of this just to generate income ( it wouldn’t be lawful).  The permit zones were put in at local people’s request, to try to give some priority for local residents and businesses and to control commuter parking. Nothing they can do will satisfy everyone and for some it isn’t ideal. This is made clear to the locals in the consultation when the zones are being planned.

 

I really don’t think there’s much the council could realistically do to resolve your issue with the current setup.

47 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Get in touch with Council and get a planters licence for the verge outside your property and plant up some barrels

It trains car owners to park inline enabling more cars to park and speeds up journeys as their bad parking creates 'chicanes'.

I think the OP is referring to the grassed areas around the Landsdowne  flats, not verges on-street.

[Ashcroft]

11 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Are you in the Landsdowne flats?

 

As I understand it from the Council website, flats permit holders can park in the adjacent Landsdowne permit zone, but Landsdowne permit holders can’t park in the flats.

 

In very built up areas like yours, green space is at a premium and some people value it very highly, many are therefore likely to object to any proposal to tarmac it over for parking,  so I would doubt very much whether your suggestion would get anywhere.

 

When the on-street permit zone was originally introduced it was much bigger and permit holders could park anywhere within it. The parking within the flats and permits for it were entirely separate from the wider on street permit zone. However when the Lib-Dems were in power they decided to split it into several smaller areas and restrict where each zones permits were valid. From memory I recall that there were issues with permit holders from the outer areas of the zone using the streets in the zone near the city centre for commuter parking, which prompted complaints.

 

These areas are difficult for the council due to the high demand for permits. They normally allow one or two per household, but only give more than that if it is identified that there is enough space to accommodate the extra parking. 
 

The council don’t do any of this just to generate income ( it wouldn’t be lawful).  The permit zones were put in at local people’s request, to try to give some priority for local residents and businesses and to control commuter parking. Nothing they can do will satisfy everyone and for some it isn’t ideal. This is made clear to the locals in the consultation when the zones are being planned.

 

I really don’t think there’s much the council could realistically do to resolve your issue with the current setup.

I agree with that. But it is still frustrating because the permits and parking zones only came into force in February.  Some residents are thinking in doing away with the permits and pay and displays simply by removing the signs - the only thing enforcing the charges. I have disagreed with them doing that but it would make the council do a bit of thinking. Oh yes, Im in the Lansdown flats.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Ashcroft
Forgot the 1st question.

[nikki-red]

36 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

Grass verges are useless?? How bizzare. Standard motorist, thinks the world revolves around them and their car.

Where has any of this stuff that you've made up been mentioned, apart from in your head?

When my son was in primary school there were a lot of issues with parents parking on the long grass verges outside, making it a real mess.

There was a meeting with the Headteacher etc  and one of the questions asked was why couldn’t it just be concreted over.

Apparently a number of verges have to be left as grass for easier access for utilities companies.

 

I have absolutely no idea if this is actually the case tho.

[Mr Bloke]

12 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

When the on-street permit zone was originally introduced it was much bigger and permit holders could park anywhere within it. The parking within the flats and permits for it were entirely separate from the wider on street permit zone. However when the Lib-Dems were in power they decided to split it into several smaller areas and restrict where each zones permits were valid. From memory I recall that there were issues with permit holders from the outer areas of the zone using the streets in the zone near the city centre for commuter parking, which prompted complaints.

 

These areas are difficult for the council due to the high demand for permits. They normally allow one or two per household, but only give more than that if it is identified that there is enough space to accommodate the extra parking. 
 

The council don’t do any of this just to generate income ( it wouldn’t be lawful).  The permit zones were put in at local people’s request, to try to give some priority for local residents and businesses and to control commuter parking. Nothing they can do will satisfy everyone and for some it isn’t ideal. This is made clear to the locals in the consultation when the zones are being planned.

 

I really don’t think there’s much the council could realistically do to resolve your issue with the current setup.

You're getting too good at this, Mr Planner!

You couldn't manage to blame the Government for this one...

... but managed to blame the Lib-Dems instead!

[Planner1]

2 hours ago, Mr Bloke said:

You're getting too good at this, Mr Planner!

You couldn't manage to blame the Government for this one...

... but managed to blame the Lib-Dems instead!

Credit where it’s due…….

[The_DADDY]

7 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

Would be a disgrace if they did. We've paved wore than enough of the world to accommodate cars as it is.

 

Times change. The fact is we need more parking spaces.

[Planner1]

2 hours ago, Ashcroft said:

I agree with that. But it is still frustrating because the permits and parking zones only came into force in February.  Some residents are thinking in doing away with the permits and pay and displays simply by removing the signs - the only thing enforcing the charges. I have disagreed with them doing that but it would make the council do a bit of thinking. Oh yes, Im in the Lansdown flats.

So is there pay and display in the flats car parks?

 

What exactly is it the residents want the council to think about? There are only so many parking spaces, they aren’t going to provide any more.

 

Presumably the permit system is there because residents want it and the pay and display is to promote some turnover and availability of visitor spaces.

 

If the signs were removed and the restrictions weren’t enforceable, you might find commuters parking there, meaning even less space for residents.

 

If the signing for the restrictions has been included in the Amey highway maintenance contract, it won’t trouble the council at all if someone removes the signs, as Amey will be contractually obliged to put up new ones within a very short time of the problem being reported and it costs the council nothing. They can also use anti-tamper fittings, which make it more difficult to remove them.

 

If those flats were built now, it would be a planning condition that the occupants would not be eligible for permits in the on-street scheme, so perhaps residents should be grateful that there’s any permit entitlement at all.

 

 

[Bargepole23]

4 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Times change. The fact is we need more parking spaces.

The fact is we need less cars.