Nowt Left In The Coffers Say Scc

[harvey19]

1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

Feel free to post some examples, just so I can have a read later.

You can work out for yourself that a vehicle carrying 48 passengers will reduce a proportionate numbers of car use 

[HeHasRisen]

Oh, I thought you were going to link us to some research and/or a study on the effects of implementing such a scheme. My bad.

[harvey19]

1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

Oh, I thought you were going to link us to some research and/or a study on the effects of implementing such a scheme. My bad.

Another wrong assumption by you.

[HeHasRisen]

Yes which is a shame really, as I thought you were quoting something tangible.

[Planner1]

1 hour ago, harvey19 said:

If the planners and staff were convinced of the need for less car use surely there should be no need to block off roads.

As said several times before surveys must be directly related to the areas where then scheme is proposed.

Traffic counts will probably show the same number of cars being used but just using different roads than their usual routes which have been blocked off.

Again I would repeat that I think the money be better spent on investing in an effective public transport scheme which could reduce the use of cars significantly. I remember the 1970s when all bus fares were 10pence and the buses were packed., this effectively reduced cars on the roads,  saved people money and avoided parking problems.

We should not just allow public money to be spent on schemes designated by central government but our representatives need to challenge the government on spending by proposing alternative schemes suitable to a specific area.

It’s a chicken and egg situation.

 

You won’t get lower car use unless you facilitate that happening. Low traffic neighbourhoods are part of that.

 

The London  schemes showed statistically significant drops in car ownership which exceeded what was happening elsewhere. So, you can conclude that something similar could happen elsewhere.

 

If people walk and cycle more instead of using the car and some give up car ownership, of course there will be less car mileage overall. Do you not see that?

 

You have rose tinted spectacles about the old days.

 

Even in those days of subsidised fares, bus ridership was decreasing, as car ownership and use grew.

 

I’ve seen research where the majority of car drivers said they wouldn’t use public transport even if it were free. Free public transport been tried in several places abroad and it didn’t make the expected difference to car use.

 

The low bus fares here were subsidised at ratepayers expense and I remember people complaining about how high the rates were here compared to elsewhere. Nothing is free.

 

You may think more should be spent on improving public transport, but it’s the government that sets the agenda. They provide the funding. They set up the deregulated bus framework. No subsequent government has seen fit to change it.

 

Bus franchising may present some opportunities, but it also carries risks ( ie what if the bids that come in are much more expensive than expected. Services will need to be cut and suddenly it’s the local politicians fault, not the operators or government.) 

 

Although the government provide devolved funding to mayoral combined authorities, (MCA’s) it’s given very much within the frameworks set up and administered by government. That means money is given for specific purposes and you can’t use it for anything else, so flexibility is limited.

 

Local government has been asking for greater funding devolution and flexibility for many years. The MCA’s get a bit more money, but not much flexibility.

 

That’s the realty of it, so if you want it to change it’s your MP’s and central government you need to be lobbying.

 

Most councils are hard pressed to spend the amount of money the government is giving them now. They need extensive support from the private sector. No-one is going to be running around coming up with alternative spending proposals when the government announces the latest funding programmes. They’re too busy putting bids together for the government money. 
 

Money talks and the government have it and aren’t going to relinquish control, so local authorities have to dance to their tune. 

 

 

[Planner1]

56 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

Quite right and stop painting zebra crossings in rainbow colours, every little bit helps !

Can you point to an example? I haven’t seen one.

[Planner1]

43 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

I am not an expert on the painting of road markings - arent they renewed every so often anyway? @Planner1 probably knows.

 

So when the time comes for a pedestrian crossing on X Street to be repainted, what odds does it make if they use white paint or coloured paint?

Yes they are renewed periodically or when they become worn ( you can report them FixMyStreet is a good way). It’s covered in the Amey maintenance contract.

 

Colour usually makes little if any difference to cost. Unless you want something non standard which costs a lot more.

[HeHasRisen]

1 minute ago, Planner1 said:

Yes they are renewed periodically or when they become worn ( you can report them FixMyStreet is a good way). It’s covered in the Amey maintenance contract.

 

Colour usually makes little if any difference to cost. Unless you want something non standard which costs a lot more.

So they we are then. All these rainbow pedestrian crossings (still not sure where they all are, mind) are repainted at the usual time of renewal. Nothing to see here, move along.

[Planner1]

4 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

I am/was aware of two. One on Pinstone St (not even sure if its there now), and one within the NGH grounds, so presumably paid for by the NHS. He wont care about the latter though as its not in support of the gays.

Whereabouts on Pinstone St? 

 

Anything on private land ( ie NGH) doesn’t have to comply with same standards as the stuff that goes on the public highway.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Planner1

[HeHasRisen]

4 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Whereabouts on Pinstone St? 

 

Anything on private land ( ie NGH) doesn’t have to comply with same standards as the stuff that goes on the public highway.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/people/rainbow-crossing-installed-city-centre-sheffield-pride-2924049

 

Like I said, think its long gone.