hackey lad Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 This council should be put in special measures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassett one Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 re-cycle lanes ,charge them road tax then ask what they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, bassett one said: re-cycle lanes ,charge them road tax then ask what they want Wait for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Bargepole23 said: I pay more than average. I want segregated cycle lanes on all major Sheffield roads. My arguement against them is one of funding. Everybody uses roads, directly or indirectly & they are paid for & maintained by general taxation. Not everyone can or will use cycle lanes/paths directly or indirectly so why should general taxation pay for their construction & maintainence? If cyclists want their own special infrastructure then they should be the one to pay for it. Futhermore, given that in some areas segragated cycling infrastructure has been built and yet some cyclists refuse to use them, with the most common (pathetic) reason being that there are junctions/give ways along them, forcing them to stop/slow down (for safety reasons), then we need legistlation putting in place that mandates the use of said infrastructure where it is present, especially since the cheif reason used by cyclists for getting it built in the first place is one of keeping them safe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bargepole23 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Resident said: My arguement against them is one of funding. Everybody uses roads, directly or indirectly & they are paid for & maintained by general taxation. Not everyone can or will use cycle lanes/paths directly or indirectly so why should general taxation pay for their construction & maintainence? If cyclists want their own special infrastructure then they should be the one to pay for it. Futhermore, given that in some areas segragated cycling infrastructure has been built and yet some cyclists refuse to use them, with the most common (pathetic) reason being that there are junctions/give ways along them, forcing them to stop/slow down (for safety reasons), then we need legistlation putting in place that mandates the use of said infrastructure where it is present, especially since the cheif reason used by cyclists for getting it built in the first place is one of keeping them safe. A reduction in the number of cars on the roads benefits road users with faster journey times, therefore they should pay for them. A reduction in the number of cars improves air quality, benefitting all, therefore all should pay for them. That's how taxation works, we all pay in, even for things we don't directly benefit from. Anyhow, way off topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 9 hours ago, bassett one said: re-cycle lanes ,charge them road tax then ask what they want Do you also expect pedestrians to pay road tax if they need any improvements to the highway? As I’m sure you well know, road tax income just goes into the general taxation pot and doesn’t specifically get spent on roads. Cyclists will be paying the same taxes as you or I, so have just as much right to ask for it to be spent on better infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 17 hours ago, harvey19 said: Interesting but I do not think things will change in Sheffield. I do not know a single person who has started cycling because of the council's efforts to encourage it. Initiatives like low traffic neighbourhoods (LTN) take some time for the positive impacts to show. In London they’ve had them for a few years and University of Westminster have done research on the outcomes. They found: LTN residents did 115 mins more walking and 20 mins more cycling per week. These positive effects were much higher in LTN’s than in other areas which had received walking / cycling investment without an LTN. The impacts increased over time. Number of cars and vans registered in LTN’s dropped by 6% over 2 years There was a 70% reduction in road casualties in the LTN’s and no negative impacts on roads around the boundaries There was a 10% reduction in street crime in the LTN’s which increased over time. No displacement to adjoining areas. No evidence that emergency services response times had been affected Search for University of Westminster LTN impacts and distribution if you want to find details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Resident said: My arguement against them is one of funding. Everybody uses roads, directly or indirectly & they are paid for & maintained by general taxation. Not everyone can or will use cycle lanes/paths directly or indirectly so why should general taxation pay for their construction & maintainence? If cyclists want their own special infrastructure then they should be the one to pay for it. Futhermore, given that in some areas segragated cycling infrastructure has been built and yet some cyclists refuse to use them, with the most common (pathetic) reason being that there are junctions/give ways along them, forcing them to stop/slow down (for safety reasons), then we need legistlation putting in place that mandates the use of said infrastructure where it is present, especially since the cheif reason used by cyclists for getting it built in the first place is one of keeping them safe. Doesn't make sense. First off, you've got motorways, etc. that are paid for by general taxation. Can we let cyclists and pedestrians use the motorways now then? Secondly, it's about balance. As I've said earlier in this thread, the costs of providing for the motor car are higher than people think, and the truth is, that however much you try and argue that urban roads are 'for everybody', we all know that the truth is on roads, the car is king because they are oversized, are driven at excessive speeds, cause inordinate damage to other users in accidents etc. etc. Cyclists & Pedestrians are not able to use roads freely as you might otherwise try and suggest because of those dangers. Providing better public spaces and cycling infrastructure is really just a rebalancing of the way we share road space and funding, is all. It's actually a more equitable use of road space is all, but if you've spent your whole life in a car, it probably feels like you're being hard-done-by. Once your eyes have been opened to the disproportionate amount of space given to big metal boxes often with as little as 1-1.5 person occupancy on average, you really can't unsee it. As for the 'they've already got lanes and don't use them', in the UK, the (tiny number of) lanes you're referring to are almost always terrible routes, terrible condition, bushes etc overgrowing over them, badly laid out, stop-start incomplete, etc. etc. If road systems were as bad as the current state of UK cycle lane systems you would never hear the end of it. Edited August 3, 2022 by AndrewC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bargepole23 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 12 hours ago, bassett one said: re-cycle lanes ,charge them road tax then ask what they want Re community festivals, make them pay all costs rather receiving a council handouts, then let them put on what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaLazarou Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) This will show you where the money goes/went: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2022-07/sheffield-city-council-unaudited-statement-of-accounts-2021-22_0.pdf And what the biggest issue is: "Social care remains the main area of cost pressures for the Council. The needs of an increasing number of older people, and people living with disabilities, and the pressures on families mean, in common with other Local Authorities, we have to devote an increasing proportion of our spending to social care" Edited August 3, 2022 by PapaLazarou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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