New Rules For Cyclists?

[cytine]

Whatever fancy name you give it, it's still a tax that has to be paid to drive on the roads. Stop being so petty and pedantic.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Scenario: bicyclist B injures pedestrian P who suffers catastrophic (but not fatal) injuries.

P might then have a claim for many millions of pounds, covering a lifetime of care costs.

But if B has no third-party insurance, P's claim would either bankrupt B or go entirely unpaid.

Either way, P's going to suffer grievously unless B has insurance.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

23 hours ago, crookesey said:

Yes I’ll go with that, however how do you enforce it?

Like with cars. And lorries. and buses.

[altus]

20 minutes ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Scenario: bicyclist B injures pedestrian P who suffers catastrophic (but not fatal) injuries.

P might then have a claim for many millions of pounds, covering a lifetime of care costs.

But if B has no third-party insurance, P's claim would either bankrupt B or go entirely unpaid.

Either way, P's going to suffer grievously unless B has insurance.

Scenario: pedestrian P steps out in front of bicyclist B who suffers catastrophic (but not fatal) injuries.

B might then have a claim for many millions of pounds, covering a lifetime of care costs.

But if P has no third-party insurance, B's claim would either bankrupt P or go entirely unpaid.

Either way, B's going to suffer grievously unless P has insurance.

 

So are you advocating that all pedestrians should have compulsory insurance?

[Jeffrey Shaw]

1 minute ago, altus said:

Scenario: pedestrian P steps out in front of bicyclist B who suffers catastrophic (but not fatal) injuries.

B might then have a claim for many millions of pounds, covering a lifetime of care costs.

But if P has no third-party insurance, B's claim would either bankrupt P or go entirely unpaid.

Either way, B's going to suffer grievously unless P has insurance.

 

So are you advocating that all pedestrians should have compulsory insurance?

Pedestrians aren't road users. They're pavement users. Sadly, many bicycles are too (but shouldn't be).

Edited August 18, 2022 by Jeffrey Shaw

[altus]

Just now, Jeffrey Shaw said:

No. Pedestrian aren't road users. They're pavement users. Sadly, many bicycles are too.

Pedestrians are road users when crossing the road, there are shared cycle/footpaths and both are allowed on bridleways.

[Bargepole23]

1 hour ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Pedestrians aren't road users. They're pavement users. Sadly, many bicycles are too (but shouldn't be).

I'm glad you're not representing my interests in any legal proceedings. You must have seen a pedestrian crossing a road, surely?

[Bargepole23]

3 hours ago, Resident said:

Oh dear, having a bit of a mare aren't you. Road tax does exist. The term is an accepted coliquialism for people talking about Vehicel Excise Duty (Road Fund Licence is also acceptable)

In any case if a tax/levy/duty were to be introduced, it's unlikely to be based on emissions as it wouldn't gain any revenue. 

So you're suggesting that it should be unfairly weighted to make cyclists pay when they are zero emissions? And this despite most cyclists also owning a car and paying VED?

 

Anyhow, who cares. Will never happen.

 

Served its purpose in changing the headlines from sewage in our rivers.

[Findlay]

1 hour ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Scenario: bicyclist B injures pedestrian P who suffers catastrophic (but not fatal) injuries.

P might then have a claim for many millions of pounds, covering a lifetime of care costs.

But if B has no third-party insurance, P's claim would either bankrupt B or go entirely unpaid.

Either way, P's going to suffer grievously unless B has insurance.

You must be joking or pulling one in your pants. A bike hitting anyone at 8mph is not going to cause catastrophic injuries.

Sadly pedestrians are routinely road users getting round your wanpanzer parked on the pavement.

Riding down Prince of Wales Road,  a dog on a long lead run at me to bite me but eneded up catching its leg in my front wheel. I stopped very quickly and made sure the dog was ok with the lady apologising for the dog running at me.

They went on their way and when I tried to set off my wheel was buckled with the rim bent beyond repair so I had to buy a new wheel.  If B needs insurance so does P.

 

Edited August 18, 2022 by Findlay

[mattsin30]

1 hour ago, Findlay said:

You must be joking or pulling one in your pants. A bike hitting anyone at 8mph is not going to cause catastrophic injuries.

Sadly pedestrians are routinely road users getting round your wanpanzer parked on the pavement.

Riding down Prince of Wales Road,  a dog on a long lead run at me to bite me but eneded up catching its leg in my front wheel. I stopped very quickly and made sure the dog was ok with the lady apologising for the dog running at me.

They went on their way and when I tried to set off my wheel was buckled with the rim bent beyond repair so I had to buy a new wheel.  If B needs insurance so does P.

 

I don't agree with the licence ,  it's just for the Daily Mail as they can't blame EU for  for the current mess and it was a day after starmers energy bills proposal gained traction. But of course you can cause serious injury hitting someone with a bike even at 8mph.  Isn't the new road hierarchy there for a reason and that's why  pedestrians are classed as most vulnerable?