altus Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Organgrinder said: You need to read more carefully before you criticise As do you. My post mentioning Ireland was in response to trastrick accusing the west of colonialism over Ukraine when, as I pointed out, it's actually Putin who's guilty of colonialism in this case. You complained about my using the UK and Ireland as an example and I replied explaining why. I'm sorry if you took that explanation as a dig at you, it wasn't meant as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 11 hours ago, Organgrinder said: You need to read more carefully before you criticise because I had already said that. I have always believed that all countries should agree to give back every bit of territory which they took in the past, usually by force, and I would not have defended the Falklands, nor sent troops to Northern Ireland as we have been one of the worst culprits in this respect. Yes, just go back a few years earlier and it was the norm for the U.K. to invade god knows where for god knows what, killing god knows how many. The news then came from biased newspapers and brief radio coverage, always making the folk we were killing the villains of the piece. I’m no Putin fan but I don’t recall us or the USA getting involved when messers Lenin and Stalin were strutting their respective stuff against folk that wouldn’t bow down to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, crookesey said: Yes, just go back a few years earlier and it was the norm for the U.K. to invade god knows where for god knows what, killing god knows how many. The news then came from biased newspapers and brief radio coverage, always making the folk we were killing the villains of the piece. I’m no Putin fan but I don’t recall us or the USA getting involved when messers Lenin and Stalin were strutting their respective stuff against folk that wouldn’t bow down to them. No recall of the Korean War, then? The Berlin airlift? The CIA shipping Stinger missiles by the container to the Mujahideen in the 80s? Proxy wars in Africa throughout the same period? The US, the UK and a whole host of others had been at Russia and reciprocally over geopolitical influence since the end WW2 non-stop. Edited February 13, 2023 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, L00b said: No recall of the Korean War, then? The Berlin airlift? The CIA shipping Stinger missiles by the container to the Mujahideen in the 80s? Proxy wars in Africa throughout the same period? The US, the UK and a whole host of others had been at Russia and reciprocally over geopolitical influence since the end WW2 non-stop. Please correct me if I am wrong but, weren’t Lenin and Stalin long dead by the 80’s? And as for the ankle biting of Russia by NATO, was this for show or effect, I’ve never worked that one out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, crookesey said: Please correct me if I am wrong but, weren’t Lenin and Stalin long dead by the 80’s? And as for the ankle biting of Russia by NATO, was this for show or effect, I’ve never worked that one out? Lenin died in 1924, long before the USSR gained enough geopolitical weight to ‘matter’. Stalin died in 1953 and was certainly in power at the time of the Berlin airlift, the Korean War and many others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_related_to_the_Cold_War Stalin even sided with the US against the UK in Indonesia 😆 The USSR abandoned its invasion of Afghanistan in 1989, after 10 years and 14k to 26k military deaths and 56k wounded (0.5m to 2m civilian deaths, 3m wounded). NATO never got involved there in that time. Only the US, with advisors and manpads. How much of a part that ‘ankle-biting’ played at the time, is still being debated today. Edited February 13, 2023 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, L00b said: The USSR abandoned its invasion of Afghanistan in 1989, after 10 years and 14k to 26k military deaths Numbers are notoriously difficult to get in this conflict, but this one is eye-watering. Quote The Ukrainian military claims 137,780 Russian military deaths since the full-scale invasion began. Even if they've only taken half those losses, it's obscenely high. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64616099 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 I always like to bring everything down to my size, nations like to bully other nations, it’s par for the course, like one person bullying another, which goes on until one puts the other on his arse, or am I simplifying things too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 15 hours ago, Delayed said: So that would be everyone? Because everyone believes their position is the correct one? No! The bullcrap about "the World" supporting our involvement in the Ukraine War, and embracing the colonial Eurocentric New Liberal World Order, is just another Big Lie. The World, includes Russia, China, All of Africa, India, South America, the Middle East, Latin America and that's a majority. They have no love for either Putin, or Biden and his DAVOS self styled elite cronies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuttsie Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 It is usually the big gobby ones who do the bullying , funny thing is you never hear much from them after let's say the quieter smaller one has won the war . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, trastrick said: The World, includes Russia, China, All of Africa, India, South America, the Middle East, Latin America and that's a majority. They have no love for either Putin, or Biden and his DAVOS self styled elite cronies! Not true, they love Jared: https://www.businessinsider.com/kushners-2-billion-investment-saudi-backed-fund-concealed-sec-rules-2023-2 Apparently, "in his pocket"! So much for your claims of "full disclosure" from your public servants. Edited February 13, 2023 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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