Putin Threatens The West

[The_DADDY]

50 minutes ago, Padders said:

Now then Daddy,

I confess I don't know all the insides and outs of this terrible war and the loss of lives.

But what I will say is,

The "allies" will not allow Russia to win, they have invested to much money in Ukraine to lose face.

Putin will never ever back down..

The way I see it, it will only escalate and could lead to WW 3.

 

 

My bold 

At the moment that's not going to happen thankfully, i reckon we arent far off though if things dont improve. 

Unfortunately its suggested the 'allies' can't do anything to stop a Russian win and that's a very bad thing for us in the west. Russia aren't the spent force our media would have us believe they are and are clearly in it to win it. 

A diplomatic solution is the only way forward otherwise it'll just end up in a global meat grinder. 

 

[trastrick]

5 hours ago, The_DADDY said:

My bold 

At the moment that's not going to happen thankfully, i reckon we arent far off though if things dont improve. 

Unfortunately its suggested the 'allies' can't do anything to stop a Russian win and that's a very bad thing for us in the west. Russia aren't the spent force our media would have us believe they are and are clearly in it to win it. 

A diplomatic solution is the only way forward otherwise it'll just end up in a global meat grinder. 

 

The West will fight to the last Ukrainian. It's already a meat grinder with Ukrainians as the sausages.

 

Biden was complicit in allowing two Russian invasions already, and turning Afghanistan over to the Taliban.

 

He talks big, but has no stick!

 

Quite frankly, he's a just a sad joke, and so are the dis-United Nations.

 

Anybody with half a brain knows where this mess will finish up!

 

Same with his "will he, wont he?' "support for Taiwan.

 

The Totalitarians are running the world right now, even the "peace talks"

 

Russia, China, Iran, South Africa (thank you Mr Mandela), North Korea are banging the war drums, and a good part of the world, India, Middle East and South America are not taking sides.

 

The impotent West is just waiting for them to drop the next shoe, while they are still buying Russian Oil and Gas, and most sickening, financing Putin's war.

 

Over $100 billion and counting since the war began.

 

BBC

Jan 26, 2023 

Europe still relies on Russian gas 

... Reducing gas imports from Russia has been a major challenge for many European countries, as the continent ...

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/58888451

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by trastrick

[Annie Bynnol]

   To balance your biased selection of information from the BBC article you quote, it also says:

    Russia is losing $175 million a day as a result of its loss of Western oil markets as it is having to sell oil at a substantial discount to India and China.

   Russian gas exports to Europe has declined from 32 million cubic metres to 4 million cubic metres per month in 2023.  This would be even lower except that Germany has a limited capacity in winter to import LNG.

[trastrick]

Just now, Annie Bynnol said:

   To balance your biased selection of information from the BBC article you quote, it also says:

    Russia is losing $175 million a day as a result of its loss of Western oil markets as it is having to sell oil at a substantial discount to India and China.

   Russian gas exports to Europe has declined from 32 million cubic metres to 4 million cubic metres per month in 2023.  This would be even lower except that Germany has a limited capacity in winter to import LNG.

I posted the whole article! 

 

[Annie Bynnol]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

I posted the whole article! 

 

     The BBC article you linked to contains 801 word and several tables, graphs and graphics.

     Your selection was limited to a title and a snipped paragraph of 17 words which did not reflect actual content which pointed out massive impact on Russia's most important exports.

      The title of the paragraph -"Europe still relies on Russian gas" is misleading as is the 2021 graphic entitled 'Russia's gas exports', but the content is clear on the financial impact.

     I see nothing about the end of Russian oil imports to the UK, EU and USA which contradicts your view that "(t)he impotent West is just waiting for them to drop the next shoe, while they are still buying Russian Oil and Gas".

[geared]

11 hours ago, The_DADDY said:

My bold 

At the moment that's not going to happen thankfully, i reckon we arent far off though if things dont improve. 

Unfortunately its suggested the 'allies' can't do anything to stop a Russian win and that's a very bad thing for us in the west. Russia aren't the spent force our media would have us believe they are and are clearly in it to win it. 

A diplomatic solution is the only way forward otherwise it'll just end up in a global meat grinder. 

 

 

We've been waiting months for a Russian victory or breakthrough, they have so far failed to make any substantial gains.

It was widely expected they would take Bakhmut not long after Kherson was liberated, but they failed in the Winter and the spring offensive hasn't done much better.

 

There is now talk in Russia of a Ukrainian counter offensive, and worry that there might not be sufficient forces on hand to contain it.

[cuttsie]

1 hour ago, Annie Bynnol said:

     The BBC article you linked to contains 801 word and several tables, graphs and graphics.

     Your selection was limited to a title and a snipped paragraph of 17 words which did not reflect actual content which pointed out massive impact on Russia's most important exports.

      The title of the paragraph -"Europe still relies on Russian gas" is misleading as is the 2021 graphic entitled 'Russia's gas exports', but the content is clear on the financial impact.

     I see nothing about the end of Russian oil imports to the UK, EU and USA which contradicts your view that "(t)he impotent West is just waiting for them to drop the next shoe, while they are still buying Russian Oil and Gas".

Perhaps we are getting the Russian oil by another route from our so called friends in the Commonwealth 

[Annie Bynnol]

   Very possible, and like 'Blood diamonds' and other commodities there are plenty of individuals, companies and countries willing to be involved in its trade. However the tracking of oil tankers, the chemical composition and the closure of pipelines makes the trading more difficult and less profitable for the Russians who are currently selling oil at much less than they used to.

[trastrick]

Just now, Annie Bynnol said:

   Very possible, and like 'Blood diamonds' and other commodities there are plenty of individuals, companies and countries willing to be involved in its trade. However the tracking of oil tankers, the chemical composition and the closure of pipelines makes the trading more difficult and less profitable for the Russians who are currently selling oil at much less than they used to.

Dup. post

 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by trastrick

[geared]

20 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

   Very possible, and like 'Blood diamonds' and other commodities there are plenty of individuals, companies and countries willing to be involved in its trade. However the tracking of oil tankers, the chemical composition and the closure of pipelines makes the trading more difficult and less profitable for the Russians who are currently selling oil at much less than they used to.

Chinese diesel exports jumped fairly significantly recently.

 

So while the Western world may be no longer buying Russian crude oil, they are probably buying it's refined products from someone who is buying Russian oil.

 

That doesn't mean it's all rosey in Moscow though, export sales are down massively, even with China stepping up their consumption.  You can't replace such a massive market like Europe quickly, so the money they are making from oil sales is much less right now.  The oil price has shot back down to pre-war levels.

 

Urals oil is worth alot less per barrel than stuff like North sea Brent, they've gotta shift it in large quantities to make decent money.