trastrick Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Kidorry said: They are already on their border. Not the good one's! The state of the art stealth ones, that mean business! 12 minutes ago, Kidorry said: And when you talk about Napoleon and Hitler it was the weather that beat them not the army. Lol Can you dig up an old weather forecast for those times? Where is says "Bitter cold over German positions, Warm and sunny over the Russian positions" An old football coach was asked if the weather was a factor in his team's loss. "As far as I could tell, it was snowing on both sides of the field!" he said. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidorry Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, trastrick said: Not the good one's! The state of the art stealth ones, that mean business! Lol Can you dig up an old weather forecast for those times? Where is says "Bitter cold over German positions, Warm and sunny over the Russian positions" An old football coach was asked if the weather was a factor in his team's loss. "As far as I could tell, it was snowing on both sides of the field!" he said. You do come out with some rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 AP reporting Germany will allow export of Leopard tanks to Ukraine It's a quote from German Foreign Minister, Poland has said it can sent 100 tanks immediately. There's pan European stocks of near 2500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dromedary Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, butlers said: AP reporting Germany will allow export of Leopard tanks to Ukraine It's a quote from German Foreign Minister, Poland has said it can sent 100 tanks immediately. There's pan European stocks of near 2500 Sounds like the title of the thread now needs changing to.... "The West threatens Putin" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 41 minutes ago, Dromedary said: Sounds like the title of the thread now needs changing to.... "The West threatens Putin" "The West threatens Putin's plan to rebuild the Russian Empire" maybe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) The moral elitist West believes that they have some divine "God given" right to forcibly insert its Judo-Christian values on, and determine the future of "inferior" Sovereign States, in some vaguely defined "Liberal New World Order". After their utterly failed, fiascos in Viet Nam, Cuba, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Haiti, Somalia, Haiti, et al, they have not learned any lessons. In this new world, where military might is now shared by amoral "non believers", the policies of "Regime Change", that the U.S. and NATO are pursuing, lead to nothing but war! In the end, co-existence with the rest of the world, is the only way to secure a lasting peace. Free Trade, cultural exchanges and an emphasis on some common goals, like food and energy security, terrorism, control of nuclear proliferation, and mutually respected diplomatic relations. It kept the relative peace for 75 years, and the 4 years of Trump's leadership. It can do so again. The alternative is unthinkable. But some will never learn. Human Nature! :) Edited January 23, 2023 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpist Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Putin believes has some divine "God given" right to forcibly conquer, and determine the future of "inferior" Sovereign States, in some vaguely defined "Russian New World Order". Would anyone stand by whilst neighbours attempt to to take what is not theirs? I hoped those days were past . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thorpist said: Putin believes has some divine "God given" right to forcibly conquer, and determine the future of "inferior" Sovereign States, in some vaguely defined "Russian New World Order". Would anyone stand by whilst neighbours attempt to to take what is not theirs? I hoped those days were past . What assorted Totalitarians, Communists, and Religious Mad Mullah's across the world may "believe" is a fact of life. The point is, how to deal with them. War or co-existence? The West has made a clear and firm commitment to militarily defend allies like NATO countries and Israel. No such official commitment was ever made to the Ukraine, or Taiwan for that matter, The West stood by while Russia swallowed up Ukrainian Crimea in 2014. Totalitarians around the world, they do take note of such things!. Now the West is reduced to providing "limited range" arms to those brave souls who are out manned and out gunned and suffering death and the destruction of their country, while they watch it all unfold on the telly! There IS a solution which I have consistently mentioned here. It has many historical precedents, but currently the will to enforce such solutions is missing, as is the will to take this fight to the Russians,. There's an equal lack of will to stop financing Putin's war on the Ukraine, by buying his Fossil Fuels. So we have a war with "no end in sight" according to the "experts". Just more unnecessary death and destruction, and more economic crises and spiraling National Debts in the West. And once again the threat of WW3 looming. Look up the definition of insanity! Edited January 23, 2023 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuttsie Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 There is no solution to war , Mankind has fought among each other from its first day on Earth, If some one walks across your garden the reaction is get off my property or else , We all protect what we think is ours , Animals and birds do the same , The war to end all wars did not stop this , The next one will take half the World out into dark ages , perhaps South America and Africa will escape and become the dominant continent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Quote There IS a solution which I have consistently mentioned here. Sadly your solution is the one that has already failed. Quote It has many historical precedents, but currently the will to enforce such solutions is missing, as is the will to take this fight to the Russians. ...because that solution has already failed. Quote There's an equal lack of will to stop financing Putin's war on the Ukraine, by buying his Fossil Fuels. Demonstrably nonsense. Quote So we have a war with "no end in sight" according to the "experts". Just more unnecessary death and destruction, and more economic crises and spiraling National Debts in the West. And once again the threat of WW3 looming. Look up the definition of insanity! Insanity is doing the same again, and expecting a different result. On 22/01/2023 at 09:21, Kidorry said: Agree with that. Indeed, no doubt The_Daddy will be along shortly to explain the discrepancies... ...what with his self confessed love of questions... obvs Edited January 23, 2023 by Magilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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