Jack Grey Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mister Gee said: There’re not hardline Tories, just mediocre wind up merchants. The Budget, like Brexit, is something they think annoys people they don’t like. Sod the consequences. Youre absolutely right Im not a Tory im a conservative In fact im more of a Libertarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Gee Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jack Grey said: Youre absolutely right Im not a Tory im a conservative In fact im more of a Libertarian Tell us what one of those is please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jack Grey said: Youre absolutely right Im not a Tory im a conservative In fact im more of a Libertarian I'm Piscean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mister Gee said: There’re not hardline Tories, just mediocre wind up merchants. The Budget, like Brexit, is something they think annoys people they don’t like. Sod the consequences. There must be an overlap though. Many of the people who voted for Brexit would leave comments to Daily Mail articles loving the fact that they voted for Brexit because it would wind up the left. There are also comments to today's budget from mail readers who loved it because it would wind up Labour voters. It does make me wonder about the sanity of people who prioritise hurting their political opponents more than preventing themselves being hurt. This comment from a reader to today's budget from a reader to the Guardian is an obvious one: I benefit a lot from today's budget announcements, I'm very comfortable and live in Central London. I'm what you call a champagne socialist, socially liberal, woke millenial, etc... However I don't vote Conservative I vote Labour, yet most of the policy announcements over the last few years have benefitted me greatly over the years. My savings and assets have gone up, I've been very lucky. My only question is to all those in the red wall and working class areas who voted Conservative in 2019, do you feel fooled yet? A lot of working class people outside London voted Conservative in 2019 to give Liberal, metropolitan people like me a bloody nose, or to level up the country, or to share the investment around. Well that hasn't happened, wealth is more concentrated in London than ever before. People voting Conservative have brought this chaotic government on themselves, I hope you recognise your mistakes and learn from them. Don't vote Tory. Edited September 23, 2022 by Mister M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Grey Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just now, Mister M said: There must be an overlap though. Many of the people who voted for Brexit would leave comments to Daily Mail articles loving the fact that they voted for Brexit because it would wind up the left. There are also comments to today's budget who loved it because it would wind up Labour voters. It does make me wonder about the sanity of people who prioritise hurting their political opponents more than preventing themselves being hurt. This comment from a reader to today's budget from a reader to the Guardian is an obvious one: I benefit a lot from today's budget announcements, I'm very comfortable and live in Central London. I'm what you call a champagne socialist, socially liberal, woke millenial, etc... However I don't vote Conservative I vote Labour, yet most of the policy announcements over the last few years have benefitted me greatly over the years. My savings and assets have gone up, I've been very lucky. My only question is to all those in the red wall and working class areas who voted Conservative in 2019, do you feel fooled yet? A lot of working class people outside London voted Conservative in 2019 to give Liberal, metropolitan people like me a bloody nose, or to level up the country, or to share the investment around. Well that hasn't happened, wealth is more concentrated in London than ever before. People voting Conservative have brought this chaotic government on themselves, I hope you recognise your mistakes and learn from them. Don't vote Tory. The opposite to that is that there will be a lot of people who voted to remain because they believed that the people who wanted to leave were knuckle dragging xenophobic racists And they would not be seen associating with those types Which was a bit of a dilemma because a lot of those people voted Labour Remainers didnt know which way to turn.....it was hilarious to watch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPP Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Mister M said: However waiting lists were already increasing before the pandemic happened. Elective (planned) care The total waiting list for elective care was steadily increasing before Covid, from 2.5 million in April 2012 to 4.6 million in February 2020. At the beginning of the pandemic, the waiting list dropped to 4 million as GP appointments and referrals fell. Since then, the waiting list has soared to 6.7 million in May 2022 and is growing at a significantly faster rate than before the pandemic. If pre-pandemic trends had continued, we might have expected the waiting list to be around 5.3 million. (How much is Covid-19 to blame for growing NHS waiting times? | The Nuffield Trust) Spot on Mister M, and this is why. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59249409 The longest and deepest funding squeeze in the history of the NHS. And this is the consequence: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50718869 All of this is pre-covid. After today's 'Sheriff of Nottingham' budget the sooner the Tories are booted out the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mister M said: There must be an overlap though. Many of the people who voted for Brexit would leave comments to Daily Mail articles loving the fact that they voted for Brexit because it would wind up the left. There are also comments to today's budget from mail readers who loved it because it would wind up Labour voters. It does make me wonder about the sanity of people who prioritise hurting their political opponents more than preventing themselves being hurt. This comment from a reader to today's budget from a reader to the Guardian is an obvious one: I benefit a lot from today's budget announcements, I'm very comfortable and live in Central London. I'm what you call a champagne socialist, socially liberal, woke millenial, etc... However I don't vote Conservative I vote Labour, yet most of the policy announcements over the last few years have benefitted me greatly over the years. My savings and assets have gone up, I've been very lucky. My only question is to all those in the red wall and working class areas who voted Conservative in 2019, do you feel fooled yet? A lot of working class people outside London voted Conservative in 2019 to give Liberal, metropolitan people like me a bloody nose, or to level up the country, or to share the investment around. Well that hasn't happened, wealth is more concentrated in London than ever before. People voting Conservative have brought this chaotic government on themselves, I hope you recognise your mistakes and learn from them. Don't vote Tory. Signed Sir Keir Starmer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jack Grey said: The opposite to that is that there will be a lot of people who voted to remain because they believed that the people who wanted to leave were knuckle dragging xenophobic racists And they would not be seen associating with those types Which was a bit of a dilemma because a lot of those people voted Labour Remainers didnt know which way to turn.....it was hilarious to watch Really? Wow you've got a strange sense of humour. Is that a prerequisite of being a Conservative / Libertarian? It's the Tories who don't know which way to turn. Yesterday it was austerity, balanced budgets and fiscal conservatism that would bring us growth. Result: 12 years of low to zero growth. But at least you had the victims of austerity to laugh at. Today, it's pile on the borrowing to pay for tax cuts to the rich. And that's hilarious because it upsets Labour supporters. Life must be one big laugh. Enjoy your crumbs. Edited September 23, 2022 by Mister M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, hackey lad said: Signed Sir Keir Starmer Great stuff Hacks! You could be the new comedian for the right wing. You'd be a real antidote to all these left wing wokeys that are on panel shows laughing at the crap Government. Instead you and Jack Grey could make everyone laugh how you're dirt poor but still vote Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just now, Mister M said: Great stuff Hacks! You could be the new comedian for the right wing. You'd be a real antidote to all these left wing wokeys that are on panel shows laughing at the crap Government. Instead you and Jack Grey could make everyone laugh how you're dirt poor but still vote Tory. Like an alternative Ben Elton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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