Somalia The Worse Famine In 40 Years

[Guest makapaka]

2 hours ago, Jack Grey said:

 

You seem to worry more about people who live thousands of miles away than people who live next door to you

Well if those people are more in need what’s wrong with that?

 

why is someone that lives near me in some way more deserving? 

A good chunk of people seem to dislike the a large proportion of their own society and put them all under the same banner. Yourself included.

 

[Anna B]

19 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

So how much money can someone have until you take it from them?

 

Equal opportunities for all is called Capitalism

 

The richest man in India and in the top 10 in the world is Gautam Adani who was born into poverty.....you gonna take his money too? 

Has anybody told the Conservatives?

[Jack Grey]

41 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Has anybody told the Conservatives?

What are you talking about?

 

Everyone in the UK gets fair crack of the whip

 

And man many many people succeed in the UK because they work hard to achieve their dreams

[Anna B]

13 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

What are you talking about?

 

Everyone in the UK gets fair crack of the whip

 

And man many many people succeed in the UK because they work hard to achieve their dreams

the Tories are rolling back the opportunities, most notably in this instance with their curs to the Education budget. Did you realise for example that kids in the south east get 5 times the funding to kids in the North.  And don't get me started on what they've done to higher education. no longer free but now with extortionate fees, the privatisation of schools etc.

[Jack Grey]

3 minutes ago, Anna B said:

the Tories are rolling back the opportunities, most notably in this instance with their curs to the Education budget. Did you realise for example that kids in the south east get 5 times the funding to kids in the North.  And don't get me started on what they've done to higher education. no longer free but now with extortionate fees, the privatisation of schools etc.

More people are going to university than ever

 

Your hatred of the Tories blurs your judgment.......It must make you so unhappy to be angry at a boogie man that isnt there

 

[Anna B]

29 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

More people are going to university than ever

 

Your hatred of the Tories blurs your judgment.......It must make you so unhappy to be angry at a boogie man that isnt there

 

More people going to University is not necessarily an advantage if the 'good' jobs are not there. The best jobs will still go to the privileged, eg those that went to the Russel group Universities, the right private schools, a mummy and daddy with influence. and the best contacts. So mere attendance at sUniversity is not the answer. A lot of them would do better with  good apprenticeships in industry and solid enterprise, but we seem to have a curious class based antithesis to this.

 

I am not unhappy, I'm old. I've seen things come and go and change, some things for the better some things worse. I grew up in a truly egalitarian period post war when we had no money but when the opportunities really were there thanks to the newly formed welfare state. 

 

It's nothing to do with hatred. It pains me to see those advantages I enjoyed and made the most of, being rolled back by the Tories ideology.  

Edited October 12, 2022 by Anna B

[trastrick]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Socialists do not want everyone to be poor, nor do they expect everyone to be equal, (they are not communists.)

But they do want the most needy to be looked after, and helped out of poverty by equal opportunities for all.

 

India has 177 Billionaires and many many millionaires. At the same time many of their people are scratching a living on the rubbish heaps.

Does that sound right to you?

 An effective safety net is sole privilege and perogative of a prosperous society.

 

A society needs it's  pie bakers, so that that there are enough pies being baked to share.

 

Concentrating on the sharing bit (socialism) and denigrating the bakers and producers (Big Business, Big Oil, Big Pharma, the Capitalists et al), is actually counter-productive to the well being of the population at large.

 

It results in unsustainable borrowing to buy pies, and racking up spiraling National Debts to the point of inevitable economic collapse.

 

It explains why society needs its Reagans, Bushes, Trumps, and in your case, Thatchers and Boris's from time to time.

 

See also:

 

Sweden's election marks a new far-right surge in Europe

https://www.washingtonpost.com › world › 2022/09/16

"Sept 16, 2022 — The kingmakers in Sweden are the far-right Sweden Democrats (SD), a party founded in 1988 by ultranationalist extremists and neo-Nazis. Over the ..."

 

And:

 

Giorgia Meloni: Italy's far-right wins election and vows to ... - BBC

https://www.bbc.com › news › world-europe-63029909

"Sept 26, 2022 — Ms Meloni is widely expected to form Italy's most right-wing government since World War Two. That will alarm much of Europe as Italy is the EU's ..."

 

Of course. if socialism really worked no conservative would ever be elected anywhere, ever again! 

 

 

 

[Magilla]

13 minutes ago, trastrick said:

It results in unsustainable borrowing to buy pies, and racking up spiraling National Debts to the point of inevitable economic collapse.

 

It explains why society needs its Reagans, Bushes, Trumps, and in your case, Thatchers and Boris's from time to time.

So how come, in Trumps case, he managed to rack up debt to similar levels as the entire 2008 GFC, or the Iraq war, in a time of peace and supposed prosperity, even before Covid?

Edited October 12, 2022 by Magilla

[Anna B]

31 minutes ago, trastrick said:

 An effective safety net is sole privilege and perogative of a prosperous society.

 

A society needs it's  pie bakers, so that that there are enough pies being baked to share.

 

Concentrating on the sharing bit (socialism) and denigrating the bakers and producers (Big Business, Big Oil, Big Pharma, the Capitalists et al), is actually counter-productive to the well being of the population at large.

 

It results in unsustainable borrowing to buy pies, and racking up spiraling National Debts to the point of inevitable economic collapse.

 

It explains why society needs its Reagans, Bushes, Trumps, and in your case, Thatchers and Boris's from time to time.

 

See also:

 

Sweden's election marks a new far-right surge in Europe

https://www.washingtonpost.com › world › 2022/09/16

"Sept 16, 2022 — The kingmakers in Sweden are the far-right Sweden Democrats (SD), a party founded in 1988 by ultranationalist extremists and neo-Nazis. Over the ..."

 

And:

 

Giorgia Meloni: Italy's far-right wins election and vows to ... - BBC

https://www.bbc.com › news › world-europe-63029909

"Sept 26, 2022 — Ms Meloni is widely expected to form Italy's most right-wing government since World War Two. That will alarm much of Europe as Italy is the EU's ..."

 

Of course. if socialism really worked no conservative would ever be elected anywhere, ever again! 

 

 

 

When times are bad people tend to swing towards the two extremes left or right. I don't know how much this is down to personal experience, personal opinion,  confirmation bias on social media or the influence of the media in general. 

It's not good but we all seem to be affected by it.

[trastrick]

36 minutes ago, Magilla said:

So how come, in Trumps case, he managed to rack up debt to similar levels as the entire 2008 GFC, or the Iraq war, in a time of peace and supposed prosperity, even before Covid?

As a percentage of GDP (creditworthiness, the ability to pay it back):

 

Obama took it from 70% to 104%

Trump took it from 104% to 106% (before COVID)

 

Biden?

 

Data not in, but doesn't look good! 

 

And don't mention what Biden has done to Trump's stock market! 

 

Or the U.S. Consumer Confidence chart! 

 

Or the War! 

 

Or real wages

 

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by trastrick