Should Nurse's Strike?

[HeHasRisen]

1 minute ago, Organgrinder said:

According to nurses on BBC news, they don't get more days off but work 12 hour shifts 5 days a week.

Absolute rubbish, if they are doing this it will be by choice (i.e. overtime)

[fools]

14 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

According to nurses on BBC news, they don't get more days off but work 12 hour shifts 5 days a week.

News is a game  - Vested interest (charity/union) does a propaganda 'survey' with an intended outcome, news organisations pick it up, spreads like wildfire on social media, suddenly everyone playing the victim game believes XYZ are skipping meals/eating pencil rubbers/depending on foodbanks/working 90 hr weeks. Rinse and repeat

Edited November 8, 2022 by fools

[ECCOnoob]

1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

Everyone else DOES NOT have to work 12 hour shifts and, of the minority who do, they don't have to work those hours permanently.

Some peoples idea of what WORKING FOR A LIVING  is,  is laughable too.

Especially the well paid politicians who don't want to pay the nurses, who have never done  a days work in their lives.

Oh really?  Try retail workers. Try hospitality workers. Try drivers and couriers and warehouse operatives. What about maybe contractors and tradeies who have to spend several hours a day travelling to some site before they even start work.  

 

What about business owners and the self-employed, many of whom after spending all day running the shop floor then spend several hours in the evening running all the back office side.

 

What about large numbers of those of working the White collar professions. They aren't on hourly rate. They rarely get overtime, but I can count on one hand the number I see who are in at 9 and gone by 5. More likely they are frequently spending time working extra hours on some client project, catching up with emails, attending last minute meetings, out-of-hours phone calls, urgent queries, spending time travelling around to businesses or sites or court before they start their working day......  The list goes on across all professions.

 

Honestly the arrogance frequently shown by those in the public sector is astounding.  To be so deluded to think that they are the only ones who have a hard-working life. The only ones who have things like outgoings for rent and food and utilities. To think they are the only ones who have little time to spend with their children because their work gets in the way.

 

The vast majority of the people in the working world no matter what their position face the same. We all have bills. We all have expenses. We all have to pay for our travel. We all have to pay for our car parking.

 

What the hell makes them so special?

 

Jesus can we stop treating doctors and nurses like they are some angels sent from heaven, sacrificing to serve and protect out the goodness of their hearts.  They are doing a bloody job. A job they signed up for and they are remunerated for at a contractually agreed rate they chose to accept.

 

Maybe their wage is modest compared to what they 'feel' they deserve,  but it's almost insulting at a time of recession that a £30k + or high £20k +  salary is anything like poverty. If they seriously can't survive on that amount of money when millions of others are surviving on much less - they really need to take a good hard look at themselves

 

Disgusting.  As are their arrogant Union pot stirrers.  

[harvey19]

29 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Oh really?  Try retail workers. Try hospitality workers. Try drivers and couriers and warehouse operatives. What about maybe contractors and tradeies who have to spend several hours a day travelling to some site before they even start work.  

 

What about business owners and the self-employed, many of whom after spending all day running the shop floor then spend several hours in the evening running all the back office side.

 

What about large numbers of those of working the White collar professions. They aren't on hourly rate. They rarely get overtime, but I can count on one hand the number I see who are in at 9 and gone by 5. More likely they are frequently spending time working extra hours on some client project, catching up with emails, attending last minute meetings, out-of-hours phone calls, urgent queries, spending time travelling around to businesses or sites or court before they start their working day......  The list goes on across all professions.

 

Honestly the arrogance frequently shown by those in the public sector is astounding.  To be so deluded to think that they are the only ones who have a hard-working life. The only ones who have things like outgoings for rent and food and utilities. To think they are the only ones who have little time to spend with their children because their work gets in the way.

 

The vast majority of the people in the working world no matter what their position face the same. We all have bills. We all have expenses. We all have to pay for our travel. We all have to pay for our car parking.

 

What the hell makes them so special?

 

Jesus can we stop treating doctors and nurses like they are some angels sent from heaven, sacrificing to serve and protect out the goodness of their hearts.  They are doing a bloody job. A job they signed up for and they are remunerated for at a contractually agreed rate they chose to accept.

 

Maybe their wage is modest compared to what they 'feel' they deserve,  but it's almost insulting at a time of recession that a £30k + or high £20k +  salary is anything like poverty. If they seriously can't survive on that amount of money when millions of others are surviving on much less - they really need to take a good hard look at themselves

 

Disgusting.  As are their arrogant Union pot stirrers.  

Emotion is a great bargaining point.

[HeHasRisen]

"But but but people were told to clap for us! And bang pots and pans! Live on the BBC!"

Edited November 8, 2022 by HeHasRisen

[The_DADDY]

Just now, HeHasRisen said:

"But but but people were told to clap for us! And bang pots and pans! Live on the BBC!"

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[spilldig]

23 hours ago, Anna B said:

As above title says, should our Nurse's go on strike? 

 

Obviously from a personal point of view I'd rather they didn't, but I think it's a sad fact that they think it's necessary.  But after clapping them on the doorstep during the pandemic who can blame them for feeling hard done by?

 

According to a long term Nurse on TV this morning, the starting salary of a nurse is £27,000 grade 5 level, and many of them tend to stay at this level. That equates to a take home pay of about £1,800 per month, (I haven't checked these figures but it's hardly a fortune.) For a degree qualified, experienced, 12 hour shift nurse, it's hardly a fortune...   And as for the care assistants who do an awful lot of the heavy lifting in hospitals, it's an awful lot less.  Said nurse also said an awful lot of money that goes into the NHS never sees the front line where it is needed, but goes straight to shareholders, as NHS is being privatised by the back door.   Which is what I've been saying for ages.

 

If you take into account the cost of rents, mortgages, things like child care, running a car to get to hospital night shifts, council tax, bills, parking etc, it's not surprising some of them have to go to foodbanks which is certainly not right.

Then there are the Paramedics, ambulance drivers, physiotherapists, radiologists etc, and all the other people involved in getting you well....

 

So what do you think? Should they strike if this is the only way to get improvements?

My son is a male nurse. He has holidays abroad,  runs a nice car, owns his own house and he has gone on to a four day week because he has more money than he knows what to do with. His girlfriend is another nurse who has nice holidays abroad,  runs a car and rents nice accommodation.  She has gone on to three days a week for the same reason. 

[alchresearch]

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[PRESLEY]

2 hours ago, HeHasRisen said:

"But but but people were told to clap for us! And bang pots and pans! Live on the BBC!"

Your just envious because you havn't got  any pots and pans due to living under a ROCK.  

[HeHasRisen]

3 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

Your just envious because you havn't got  any pots and pans due to living under a ROCK.  

Good afternoon, darling 😘