Should Nurse's Strike?

[Dromedary]

30 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

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It's a too complicated situation to solve in one post. 

 

I do think though, that encouraging people to get degrees in  nursing, with a view to removing their student fees if they do a certain amount of service might help long term.

Maybe it actually would be better to pause a while and get back to the basics of nursing rather than having the emphasis on having a degree.

 

Many of the nurses that came to the UK from other countries on recruitment drives in the 90s never had degrees and a lot of the older British ones we knew and grew up with didn't either. Not sure how it worked when we were in the EU but is a degree really necessary for nursing?

 

 

[Anna B]

2 hours ago, hackey lad said:

They have plenty of cash for resources , just don't spend it properly . 

No, they don't. Resources are prohibitively expensive because they are privatised and must make a profit. There is no real competition so they can charge what they like. As one doctor told me when I asked them how such extortionate prices can be justified, 'They have us over a barrel. We have no choice, we have to pay it or do without. '  The NHS is tied into ridiculous contracts with penalties for breaches. Deals are done at the very top by government departments that are more to the shareholders benefit than to the NHS and the patient, And ultimately they all have to be paid for by the taxpayer.  Giant super-sized Companies like Serco and Capita clean up, and we get less and less for our money. The government boasts of how much it (we) are paying into the health system, when actually it is paying itself and its cronies. None of it gets to the front line without the shareholders taking a mighty bite out of it, and little is left. It's so corrupt there would be riots if people knew the truth of it. 

 

This government has no interest in changing the system.   It invented it.

It intends to keep on privatising, in the name of improving / fixing the system until there is virtually nothing left of the NHS. It wants to follow the American system of private health care.  A system which is fundamentally flawed.

 

[fools]

have you been listening to Steptoe again

[Dromedary]

2 minutes ago, Anna B said:

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The government boasts of how much it (we) are paying into the health system, when actually it is paying itself and its cronies. None of it gets to the front line without the shareholders taking a mighty bite out of it, and little is left. It's so corrupt there would be riots if people knew the truth of it.

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As you are the one that does seem to know maybe you could share that "truth" with us all and then we can have fun rioting.

[*_ash_*]

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

That last sentence is correct  

Same every time. This is a way of trying to push for a general election / causing social unrest. 

51 minutes ago, fools said:

Is this supposed to be hard done by, that sounds much like everyone else who has to work for a living. Some of them are moaning about having to pay for parking, as if it doesn't happen to the rest of the population.

It does yes. 

49 minutes ago, Dromedary said:

Maybe it actually would be better to pause a while and get back to the basics of nursing rather than having the emphasis on having a degree.

 

Many of the nurses that came to the UK from other countries on recruitment drives in the 90s never had degrees and a lot of the older British ones we knew and grew up with didn't either. Not sure how it worked when we were in the EU but is a degree really necessary for nursing?

 

 

A degree is just a word that shows you've done something. 

 

I would be quite happy having a nurse treat me, who hasn't had a 3 year degree, but spent 3 years studying and passing nursing exams, so I agree with you here. 

Edited November 8, 2022 by *_ash_*

[Baron99]

Speaking of degrees.  How about any individual who has a nursing degree from a relevant UK institution & works for a minimum of 6 years in the NHS, (by which time they should be at the top of the Band 5 pay band & should have the knowledge & skills for promotion to Band 6), the Govt writes off their student debt in full?

[Guest]

8 hours ago, fools said:

Is this supposed to be hard done by, that sounds much like everyone else who has to work for a living. Some of them are moaning about having to pay for parking, as if it doesn't happen to the rest of the population.

Everyone else DOES NOT have to work 12 hour shifts and, of the minority who do, they don't have to work those hours permanently.

Some peoples idea of what WORKING FOR A LIVING  is,  is laughable too.

Especially the well paid politicians who don't want to pay the nurses, who have never done  a days work in their lives.

[crookesey]

Timing is not at it’s best, irrespective of needs and demands.

[fools]

1 hour ago, Organgrinder said:

Everyone else DOES NOT have to work 12 hour shifts

Spot the victim narrative. Longer shifts = more days off and  less travel time, or more money

Edited November 8, 2022 by fools

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, fools said:

Spot the victim narrative. Longer shifts = more days off and  less travel time, or more money

According to nurses on BBC news, they don't get more days off but work 12 hour shifts 5 days a week.