Strike Action

[fools]

3 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Is it? If so, I see no reason on all but the few remaining slam-door stock (if there is any), why the driver can't - they do on Thameslink, definitely, and other services.

As I said, there are other staff on all but the most lightly used services, and even they can be, and are boarded bty Revenue Protection teams at any time.

if they were talking about getting rid of all the staff inside the trains, can you imagine them ever accepting that

Edited December 14, 2022 by fools

[RollingJ]

10 minutes ago, fools said:

if they were talking about getting rid of all the staff inside the trains, can you imagine them ever accepting that

But, according to your post #239 this about who shuts the doors - on modern trains, that is usually done by the driver anyway.

[El Cid]

57 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

No - DLR, which not underground. There may not be dedicated 'guards' on trains, but they usually have revenue collection staff, and boarding/alighting services are available at many (not all, admittedly) stations. With online ticket purchases/ticket machines at stations, their 'revenue raising' importance has drastically reduced.

Why?

But they are not really driverless.

As H19 says, staff are needed on trains, perhaps a simple train carrying less than 50 people can be single manned.

But even on automatic trains, doors jam, the safety cord gets pulled and people need the emergency services.

25 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

But, according to your post #239 this about who shuts the doors - on modern trains, that is usually done by the driver anyway.

On flatforms that curve, the driver cannot see all around the train. Cameras can be used, but it's safer if the guard attends to the doors.

[El Cid]

2 hours ago, harvey19 said:

Wilst in the army we worked nights 6-6 on guard duty after a full working day and 24 hour guard duty on a weekend at times for no extra pay. 

 

Train drivers don't have Sunday as a normal working day. It needs to be in there contract to force them to work, instead they get loads of money and some do volunteer. 

[harvey19]

4 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Train drivers don't have Sunday as a normal working day. It needs to be in there contract to force them to work, instead they get loads of money and some do volunteer. 

I was just pointing out how there are different work patterns in different employments.

How much do they get for a basic week ?

A week which includes weekend working as rotered ?

A week where a weekend is worked at overtime rates ?

 

 

[RollingJ]

19 minutes ago, El Cid said:

But they are not really driverless.

As H19 says, staff are needed on trains, perhaps a simple train carrying less than 50 people can be single manned.

But even on automatic trains, doors jam, the safety cord gets pulled and people need the emergency services.

On flatforms that curve, the driver cannot see all around the train. Cameras can be used, but it's safer if the guard attends to the doors.

For the DLR bit of your post :They are driverless - in that they are controlled from a central control station - there is usually no physical driver on the train, although they can be manually controlled.

For the other bit: In most cases, there is usually a second person, but not a 'guard' as such.

On curved tracks, as well as the cameras, there are mirrors which allow the driver to see the full platform length. Actually, how many accidents, in the millions of miles trains run, have you known that can be solely attributed to 'no guard'?

Edited December 14, 2022 by RollingJ

[hackey lad]

7 hours ago, alchresearch said:

There's never any proof in any of Anna's rants and anecdotes.

 

But the unions are our friends, she says, they're only in it for us...........

 

Unite official under investigation by police

An employee from the Unite union is being investigated by police as part of an inquiry into allegations of bribery, fraud and money laundering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61029515

 

Red Len soon scarpered after this:

 

Unite announces inquiry into £98m hotel complex built under Len McCluskey

https://news.sky.com/story/unite-announces-inquiry-into-98m-hotel-complex-built-under-len-mccluskey-12501105

 

Arthur Scargill loses battle to have union meet costs of London flat

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/dec/21/arthur-scargill-battle-union-flat

 

Top Unite official fined in miners’ payout scandal

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/top-unite-official-fined-in-miners-payout-scandal-z55v7djx9

Lot of truth in what you say about Anna's rants , when pulled up on them she doesn't answer , then appears later when she thinks its forgot about 

[L00b]

1 hour ago, fools said:

Just because they are at the bottom doesn't absolve them of responsibility. You go to the manager and say this is silly.

 

it's not the point I'm making, I'm saying there is no automatic right for workers pay to keep up with inflation. If the business has been more efficient in the last 12 months, then there is more scope to increase pay.

I’m not disputing the absence of such an ‘automatic right’ in the UK (it exists elsewhere, btw).

 

But your point looks redundant, when a fundamental cause of these strikes is not so much the currently-spiking living costs (they’re the flashpoint), as the enduring stagnation of wages in terms of purchasing parity for a decade or longer, compounded by fast-increasing fiscal liabilities from serial mismanagement of public finances.
 

Broadsheets articles are replete with graphs demonstrating the issue, which permeates every aspect of British life going, from healthcare staff to transport staff, including legal professionals, posties and agrifood operatives and all other sorts in-between.

 

Excessive profit-taking for too long, always has consequences: you’re seeing their baby steps now.

 

EDIT: we’ve moved a fair bit on from ‘workers just need to increase their productivity’. Now give them better tools (e.g. a smarter parcel sorting system 😉), and you’d soon see those productivity gains (fewer trips with more parcels, for a given area). But better tools cost money, and that eats into the bottom line.

Edited December 14, 2022 by L00b

[Delbow]

3 hours ago, harvey19 said:

 

 

I have heard numbers are limited because the NHS has to pay part of the fees whilst the trainees get work experience in hospitals.

 

I don't know if that's the issue or not, but it's some kind of penny pinching somewhere along the line. A lot of Britons have this silly obsession with low taxes but also expect good public services - it's just wishful thinking. If we want to be looked after when things go tîts up then it has to be paid for. Either pay for it and get it, or don't pay for it and when you have a bad car crash you die. People thinking they can have both is infantile.

[El Cid]

1 hour ago, RollingJ said:

For the DLR bit of your post :They are driverless - in that they are controlled from a central control station - there is usually no physical driver on the train, although they can be manually controlled.

For the other bit: In most cases, there is usually a second person, but not a 'guard' as such.

On curved tracks, as well as the cameras, there are mirrors which allow the driver to see the full platform length. Actually, how many accidents, in the millions of miles trains run, have you known that can be solely attributed to 'no guard'?

There are a few accidents involving DLR, in one accident it's stated that one was manned.

The point is that train drivers don't want responsibility for the doors, the guard is closer, on a train without a driver, a guard should be responsible for the door, he can see that person running for the train, and the drunks kissing through the window.