Strike Action

[Axe]

15 minutes ago, El Cid said:

The average pay rise in the private sector is 6.9% according to the ONS.

Do you think that the nurses should get less than the average %

The nurses aren't in the private sector. It's up to the private sector to decide how much is affordable in pay rises. Have a look in the supermarkets and see how many self service tills there are now resulting in fewer staff being required. The government need to get tough with the nurses and reduce their pay rise  offer by 0.25% for everyday they go on strike.  

Edited December 20, 2022 by Axe

[Guest sibon]

9 minutes ago, Axe said:

The nurses aren't in the private sector. It's up to the private sector to decide how much is affordable in pay rises. Have a look in the supermarkets and see how many self service tills there are now resulting in fewer staff being required. The government need to get tough with the nurses and reduce their pay rise  offer by 0.25% for everyday they go on strike.  

I’d go further.

 

They should randomly choose a nurse for ritual sacrifice, on the hour, every hour until they accept a 20% pay cut.

 

Put it on BBC 1. That will show them.
 

It might also sort out the other Marxist strikers demanding a living wage. 

Edited December 20, 2022 by sibon

[El Cid]

7 minutes ago, Axe said:

The nurses aren't in the private sector. It's up to the private sector to decide how much is affordable in pay rises. Have a look in the supermarkets and see how many self service tills there are now resulting in fewer staff being required. The government need to get tough with the nurses and reduce their pay rise  offer by 0.25% for everyday they go on strike.  

I am in the publlic sector, I work for a local authority, I got 8% and the NHS in Scotland got 7.5%

[Slinny]

9 minutes ago, El Cid said:

I am in the publlic sector, I work for a local authority, I got 8% and the NHS in Scotland got 7.5%

What a load off crap,  Get Tough with nurses . drop their pay , are you just a idiot are a wind up merchant   ,

[Annie Bynnol]

35 minutes ago, Axe said:

The nurses union have started with an unrealistic high figure and the other side have accepted the figure recommended by the independent pay review body. It's not a question of the other side starting low. 

The NHS Pay Review Body was instructed and threatened by Sajid Javid Secretary of State for Health and Social Care in March:

"As the NHS budget has already been set until 2024 to 2025, it is vital that planned workforce growth is affordable and within the budgets set, particularly as there is a direct relationship between pay and staff numbers."

 

Despite knowing that inflation would be 9% by the time they reported in July :

"This recommendation would increase the overall AfC pay bill by an average of 4.8% across England, Wales and Northern Ireland."

Source: NHS Pay Review Body

 

Nadhim Zahawi and subsequent Government Health ministers continue to repeat the lie that a nurse's “starting salary” would

be £31 000 it is not:

"The £31,000 figure is an estimate including both basic pay and additional earnings like overtime, unsocial hours pay and supplements for those in high cost areas. The basic pay for a newly qualified nurse, not including extra earnings, is £27,055."
Source

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Axe said:

The nurses aren't in the private sector. It's up to the private sector to decide how much is affordable in pay rises. Have a look in the supermarkets and see how many self service tills there are now resulting in fewer staff being required. The government need to get tough with the nurses and reduce their pay rise  offer by 0.25% for everyday they go on strike.  

You truly demonstrate the Tory way of thinking and arrogance of the "have's" against the "have nots".

They cannot recruit enough nurses which is causing the NHS to fail.

They cannot keep the nurses who are already employed by them.

 

Who do you think is going to look after patients then as nurses, and doctors,  numbers fall.

Maybe you would like to force them, at gunpoint,  to work at the wage you specify.

Such brilliant thinking is why the country is in the deep mire that it is.

Is there anyone with a brain around please? 

[harvey19]

9 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

The NHS Pay Review Body was instructed and threatened by Sajid Javid Secretary of State for Health and Social Care in March:

"As the NHS budget has already been set until 2024 to 2025, it is vital that planned workforce growth is affordable and within the budgets set, particularly as there is a direct relationship between pay and staff numbers."

 

Despite knowing that inflation would be 9% by the time they reported in July :

"This recommendation would increase the overall AfC pay bill by an average of 4.8% across England, Wales and Northern Ireland."

Source: NHS Pay Review Body

 

Nadhim Zahawi and subsequent Government Health ministers continue to repeat the lie that a nurse's “starting salary” would

be £31 000 it is not:

"The £31,000 figure is an estimate including both basic pay and additional earnings like overtime, unsocial hours pay and supplements for those in high cost areas. The basic pay for a newly qualified nurse, not including extra earnings, is £27,055."
Source

Doesn't sound like bad starting pay that.

So a 19% increase would be about £5,400 at the lowest scale.

[Guest]

The so called INDEPENDENT Pay review body is NOT  independent at all.  Never was and never will be.

They are chosen by the government, told what they can do by the government and also, told what they cannot do by the government.

 

Just the usual government trick of  setting up a buffer between themselves and the problems in the same way as privatisation.

[harvey19]

4 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

You truly demonstrate the Tory way of thinking and arrogance of the "have's" against the "have nots".

They cannot recruit enough nurses which is causing the NHS to fail.

They cannot keep the nurses who are already employed by them.

 

Who do you think is going to look after patients then as nurses, and doctors,  numbers fall.

Maybe you would like to force them, at gunpoint,  to work at the wage you specify.

Such brilliant thinking is why the country is in the deep mire that it is.

Is there anyone with a brain around please? 

So you think giving a massive salary increase would solve all the problems ?

Do you think pay is the only reason for people not entering or leaving the profession ?

How shortsighted that view is.

The whole organisation needs reviewing.

2 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

The so called INDEPENDENT Pay review body is NOT  independent at all.  Never was and never will be.

They are chosen by the government, told what they can do by the government and also, told what they cannot do by the government.

 

Just the usual government trick of  setting up a buffer between themselves and the problems in the same way as privatisation.

Who should review pay and pay claims in the public sector ?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

So you think giving a massive salary increase would solve all the problems ?

Do you think pay is the only reason for people not entering or leaving the profession ?

How shortsighted that view is.

The whole organisation needs reviewing.

I didn't say pay a massive increase but wages are so low and conditions are so poor that they cannot attract or keep staff.

I that case, it is your view that is short sighted.

 

The government needs to do something simple NEGOTIATE

I agree that the whole organisation needs reviewing.  I know that and you know that so, why doesn't the stupid government do that instead of hitting nurses?

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Organgrinder