mike1961 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, HumbleNarrator said: Well I didn't think there was anyone left still trotting out the "road tax" crap! Yep I am ,I was always led to believe it was a road tax and it's always been referred to as a road tax by people I've socialized with, obviously I'm wrong ,but cyclists still need to pay something,it's only fair and reasonable at the end of the day. Just now, Organgrinder said: Registered for what and Taxed for what? Would this apply to pedestrians too. Despite your denials, you don't like cyclists. You are not on your own so why deny it. What difference does it, or did it, make to you whether I was registered and whether I paid taxation When I used my bike. I was still paying for the roads exactly the same as you. That's your opinion that I don't like cyclists but I can assure you that you are wrong ,I just don't get that councils are bending over backwards to accommodate them and providing facilities for them that are in practice very rarely used. 3 minutes ago, Organgrinder said: Registered for what and Taxed for what? Would this apply to pedestrians too. Despite your denials, you don't like cyclists. You are not on your own so why deny it. What difference does it, or did it, make to you whether I was registered and whether I paid taxation When I used my bike. I was still paying for the roads exactly the same as you. Yeah but you don't pay the same as me ,I pay for two vehicles on the road ,you pay for one vehicle and don't pay anything for your bike to be on the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, mike1961 said: Yep I am ,I was always led to believe it was a road tax and it's always been referred to as a road tax by people I've socialized with, obviously I'm wrong ,but cyclists still need to pay something,it's only fair and reasonable at the end of the day. That's your opinion that I don't like cyclists but I can assure you that you are wrong ,I just don't get that councils are bending over backwards to accommodate them and providing facilities for them that are in practice very rarely used. Yeah but you don't pay the same as me ,I pay for two vehicles on the road ,you pay for one vehicle and don't pay anything for your bike to be on the road People have always called it Road Tax and you may have believed it was road tax but you were mistaken. It used to be, but not anymore. General taxation is paying for the roads so cyclists, along with everybody else, are paying for them already so they don't need taxing.. Councils and everybody else are trying to encourage cycling because it's much better for the planet. To do this, they need cycle lanes to add encouragement How much they get used at this moment is not your concern. That is just being petty and that's why I think you are anti cycling.. Yes, I just pay for one car. You can do the same if you get rid of one of yours. I have had 2 in the past and paid for both of them without insisting cyclists should help me.. What you are really mad about is the government taxing you so take it out on the government and not on cyclists. Edited March 10, 2023 by Organgrinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fools Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mike1961 said: Yep I am ,I was always led to believe it was a road tax and it's always been referred to as a road tax by people I've socialized with, obviously I'm wrong no, it's road tax, everyone apart from a few oddballs call it that, you're just getting trolled car drivers pay far more tax than cyclists Edited March 10, 2023 by fools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, mike1961 said: I am not anti cyclists at all ,I just think cyclists need some type of registration and specific taxation that's all. Does any other country in the world do that? 34 minutes ago, fools said: car drivers pay far more tax than cyclists They reckon 85% of cyclists own a car, so that’s clearly not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fools Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Planner1 said: Does any other country in the world do that? They reckon 85% of cyclists own a car, so that’s clearly not true. Maths and logic not your strong point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, fools said: Maths and logic not your strong point? It’s apparently not yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fools Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, Planner1 said: It’s apparently not yours lets see your working then, should be easy for someone with such an extensive cv. how much tax do you pay when cycling to the shop on an imaginary bike, and how much tax do you pay when using your polluting car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, fools said: no, it's road tax, everyone apart from a few oddballs call it that, you're just getting trolled car drivers pay far more tax than cyclists Cars which create zero emissions pay £0.00. And most people who own a bike also own a car. So already your claim is looking a little bit shaky. Besides, how do you know the cyclist isn't a millionaire who pays far more tax than you, car or no car? It's important not to call it Road Tax because otherwise certain fools get confused and start assuming it gives them some preferential control & ownership over the roads, despite it having no such power. The tax paid on cars is because of the pollution they create, hence why it's not paid on zero emission cars, bikes, walking etc., and it goes in to the big 'ol pot of money the government use for all sorts of things. There is no direct link between VED and transport infrastructure spending. I tell you what we could do, of course? We could fund roads by introducing a tax based on who causes the most damage to the roads? It would be exactly proportionate to the downward force of each vehicle. Each user would pay exactly the cost of the wear & tear they cause so it still wouldn't confer greater 'ownership', but at least then everyone would pay - sounds fair? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fools Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, AndrewC said: Cars which create zero emissions pay £0.00. And most people who own a bike also own a car. So already your claim is looking a little bit shaky. Besides, how do you know the cyclist isn't a millionaire who pays far more tax than you, car or no car? It's important not to call it Road Tax because otherwise certain fools get confused and start assuming it gives them some preferential control & ownership over the roads, despite it having no such power. The tax paid on cars is because of the pollution they create, hence why it's not paid on zero emission cars, bikes, walking etc., and it goes in to the big 'ol pot of money the government use for all sorts of things. There is no direct link between VED and transport infrastructure spending. I tell you what we could do, of course? We could fund roads by introducing a tax based on who causes the most damage to the roads? It would be exactly proportionate to the downward force of each vehicle. Each user would pay exactly the cost of the wear & tear they cause so it still wouldn't confer greater 'ownership', but at least then everyone would pay - sounds fair? desperate contrarian trolling come back when you've done the maths the tax will be paid on 'zero emission cars'' (no such thing) shortly, it has nothing to do with pollution, it's revenue heavier vehicles, and heavier users automatically pay more than lighter vehicles/users, there is no need for another tax Edited March 10, 2023 by fools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1961 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Organgrinder said: People have always called it Road Tax and you may have believed it was road tax but you were mistaken. It used to be, but not anymore. General taxation is paying for the roads so cyclists, along with everybody else, are paying for them already so they don't need taxing.. Councils and everybody else are trying to encourage cycling because it's much better for the planet. To do this, they need cycle lanes to add encouragement How much they get used at this moment is not your concern. That is just being petty and that's why I think you are anti cycling.. Yes, I just pay for one car. You can do the same if you get rid of one of yours. I have had 2 in the past and paid for both of them without insisting cyclists should help me.. What you are really mad about is the government taxing you so take it out on the government and not on cyclists. I have one car and a van I use for business so can't really get rid of either. It does concern me if cycle lanes are built or trialled and not sufficiently used to warrant the expenditure of installing them in the first place plus sometimes narrowing lanes of traffic making it difficult for emergency services to get through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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