Sheffield Congestion Charge From Feb 27th 2023

[mike1961]

2 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Yes there was already a thread on that. Not really going to impact that much tbh, just go in from the other direction (via Park Sq roundabout), its not difficult stuff this.

I'm talking about getting back out again and driving around town collecting delivering ,

[HeHasRisen]

6 minutes ago, mike1961 said:

I'm talking about getting back out again and driving around town collecting delivering ,

Its a one way bus gate only. Just plan the route accordingly.  I assume tradesmen and delivery drivers do plan things, right?

[Planner1]

10 hours ago, mike1961 said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1801903783494447/permalink/1974151559603001/?sfnsn=scwspmo&ref=share

 

 

Very interesting article on the campaign against CAZ on Facebook.

 

This clowncil are proposing another bloody busgate in town.

Could driving in town be anymore difficult than it is already!

Posted 13 hours ago, 6 comments and 4 shares. Not exactly breaking the internet, is it?

 

The bus gate is to stop through traffic using that route.

 

You can still access everything just as before. You just have to go out to the inner ring road and back in if you need to access multiple city centre locations that aren’t in the same vicinity. Yes it’s a bit less convenient for people doing multiple deliveries / pickups, but how else do you think through traffic can be stopped? If there’s a shorter route, folk will use it.

 

The concept of removing through traffic and having access loops is a common theme around most cities these days. Leeds and Bradford are in the process of doing exactly the same.

[Guest busdriver1]

10 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Its a one way bus gate only. Just plan the route accordingly.  I assume tradesmen and delivery drivers do plan things, right?

Quote

Digital map providers should also be informed of changes, so that satellite navigation software is updated promptly, to avoid drivers being given a route that is closed to them. This will also assist delivery and logistics drivers to re-plan routes in advance and avoid unnecessary delays.

Quote from Traffic Management Act 2004: network management to support active travel

 

This has clearly NOT happened as there are frequent issues in this area mainly due to planters and temporary short notice closures.

Yesterday a company I have a connection with failed to make 2 deliveries in the S10 area as road closures  caused delays resulting in the allocated time slots not being met. To prevent delays to other customers the deliveries were cancelled and the customer requested to collect their goods from the depot.

 

This happens now on a regular basis and goes alongside their decision to terminate all deliveries to S1 area for much the same reason.

[mike1961]

7 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

Quote from Traffic Management Act 2004: network management to support active travel

 

This has clearly NOT happened as there are frequent issues in this area mainly due to planters and temporary short notice closures.

Yesterday a company I have a connection with failed to make 2 deliveries in the S10 area as road closures  caused delays resulting in the allocated time slots not being met. To prevent delays to other customers the deliveries were cancelled and the customer requested to collect their goods from the depot.

 

This happens now on a regular basis and goes alongside their decision to terminate all deliveries to S1 area for much the same reason.

 

14 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Posted 13 hours ago, 6 comments and 4 shares. Not exactly breaking the internet, is it?

 

The bus gate is to stop through traffic using that route.

 

You can still access everything just as before. You just have to go out to the inner ring road and back in if you need to access multiple city centre locations that aren’t in the same vicinity. Yes it’s a bit less convenient for people doing multiple deliveries / pickups, but how else do you think through traffic can be stopped? If there’s a shorter route, folk will use it.

 

The concept of removing through traffic and having access loops is a common theme around most cities these days. Leeds and Bradford are in the process of doing exactly the same.

Yeah drive in and out ,taking longer to do deliveries and collections, fantastic!,

[ads36]

we've been bending over backwards for 70 years to make city driving easier and faster - it just leads to more driving, and more congestion.

 

no city has ever fixed congestion by making it easier to drive : it's an idea that's been tried hundreds of times, with 100% failure rate.

 

how about we give the alternatives a go for a bit?

 

 

 

 

 

[mike1961]

11 minutes ago, ads36 said:

we've been bending over backwards for 70 years to make city driving easier and faster - it just leads to more driving, and more congestion.

 

no city has ever fixed congestion by making it easier to drive : it's an idea that's been tried hundreds of times, with 100% failure rate.

 

how about we give the alternatives a go for a bit?

 

 

 

 

 

I only go into the city to make deliveries and collections for work ,this nonsense just makes my life and everyone else's harder.in an ideal world we would all use public transport or even better ride a bike but the reality is it's far from an ideal world.

Dont know why they don't just erect no entry signs around the city and have done with it!.

28 minutes ago, mike1961 said:

 

Yeah drive in and out ,taking longer to do deliveries and collections, fantastic!,

And use more fuel !

[Anna B]

29 minutes ago, mike1961 said:

 

Yeah drive in and out ,taking longer to do deliveries and collections, fantastic!,

Indeed. Using more fuel and therefore more emission. So much for cleaner air...

Just now, Anna B said:

Indeed. Using more fuel and therefore more emissions. So much for cleaner air...

Makes absolutely no sense.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by Anna B

[Planner1]

28 minutes ago, mike1961 said:

 

Yeah drive in and out ,taking longer to do deliveries and collections, fantastic!,

There’s always a trade-off when changes are made.

 

Some deliveries and collections might take a bit longer. But, the city centre is a better, safer, quieter place to visit, live in, shop in, get around on foot or by cycle or public transport. 
 

Many might think that this is a worthwhile trade-off.

[mike1961]

1 minute ago, Planner1 said:

There’s always a trade-off when changes are made.

 

Some deliveries and collections might take a bit longer. But, the city centre is a better, safer, quieter place to visit, live in, shop in, get around on foot or by cycle or public transport. 
 

Many might think that this is a worthwhile trade-off.

Nope don't agree ,forget shopping in the city centre ,go to Meadowhall,free parking,more quality shops ,no beggars or spice heads,but some businesses still need daily deliveries and collections in the city centre which can't be done on a bike or on foot or by using public transport,you mention deliveries might take a bit longer ,but you don't mention the additional fuel and subsequent emissions ?.