Andrew Tate. What's Your Opinion?.

[Palomar]

23 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

No, seriously?

Ok, sorry for stating the obvious.

[Guest]

Never known so many blokes make such heavy weather of growing up from a boy and becoming a bloke.

Sounds a good thing that the girls are getting a bit feisty  -  we need to have someone around who's not going to wilt under the  "pressure ?????????"

[hackey lad]

1 minute ago, Organgrinder said:

Never known so many blokes make such heavy weather of growing up from a boy and becoming a bloke.

Sounds a good thing that the girls are getting a bit feisty  -  we need to have someone around who's not going to wilt under the  "pressure ?????????"

????

[Al Bundy]

6 hours ago, Palomar said:

Ok, sorry for stating the obvious.

Oh, you were being serious!!

 

You actually do think these young boys at school are manipulated by the right wing.

 

Crikey.

 

[peak4]

10 hours ago, Al Bundy said:

Oh, you were being serious!!

You actually do think these young boys at school are manipulated by the right wing.

Crikey.

 

Depends if you view Tate et al as right wing, but yes he and others do try and manipulate young lads via social media such as TikTok, which sees a lot of traffic from youngsters.

I genuinely struggle to see why so many folk jump to defend Tate. Do they feel entitled to justify this sort of rhetoric as a reflection of their own personal opinions?

Read the whole of the article(s) and then please explain whether his attitudes should be defended/promoted, or robustly challenged.

Inside the violent, misogynistic world of TikTok’s new star, Andrew Tate     Guardian/Observer

Observer investigation reveals how the ex-kickboxer and Big Brother contestant from Luton has gone from obscurity to global internet fame in months

How TikTok bombards young men with misogynistic videos
Andrew Tate says women belong in the home, can’t drive, and are a man’s property.

He also thinks rape victims must “bear responsibility” for their attacks and dates women aged 18–19 because he can “make an imprint” on them, according to videos posted online.

In other clips, the British-American kickboxer – who poses with fast cars, guns and portrays himself as a cigar-smoking playboy – talks about hitting and choking women, trashing their belongings and stopping them from going out.

“It’s bang out the machete, boom in her face and grip her by the neck. Shut up bitch,” he says in one video, acting out how he’d attack a woman if she accused him of cheating.

In another, he describes throwing a woman’s things out of the window. In a third, he calls an ex-girlfriend who accused him of hitting her – an allegation he denies – a “dumb hoe”.

Tate’s views have been described as extreme misogyny by domestic abuse charities, capable of radicalising men and boys to commit harm offline.

 

See also

How TikTok bombards young men with misogynistic videos  Guardian/Observer

We conducted an experiment to get an insight into what young people are being shown on the platform, which allows users to join from the age of 13.

To ensure the findings wouldn’t be influenced by our previous search history, we set up a new TikTok account for an imaginary teenager, using a fake name and date of birth.

Without “liking” or searching for any content proactively, the suggestions included videos of Andrew Tate, including one from a copycat account using Tate’s name and picture captioned the “harsh reality of men”, which appeared to blame feminism for making men miserable, adding that the “majority of men have no money, no power, no sex from their wife”, and that their lives “suck”.

After watching two of his videos we were recommended more, including clips of him expressing misogynistic views.

The next time the account was opened, the first four posts were by Tate, from four different accounts.

The algorithm also suggested videos from Dr Jordan Peterson, a Canadian psychologist known for his rightwing views; men’s coaching programmes and videos from men’s rights activists.
he says people seeking mental health support are “useless”. He says: “If you’re the kind of person who feels like you need therapy, you need someone to talk to, do you know what you are? You’re useless. 

 

Jordan Peterson, the obscure Canadian psychologist turned right-wing celebrity, explained  VOX
Who Peterson is, and the important truths he reveals about our current political moment.

Jordan Peterson is also a right-wing internet celebrity who has claimed that feminists have “an unconscious wish for brutal male domination,” referred to developing nations as “pits of catastrophe” in a speech to a Dutch far-right group, and recently told a Times reporter that he supported “enforced monogamy.”

When Cathy Newman, a journalist for the UK’s Channel 4, challenged Peterson’s arguments in a televised interview, she received so many death threats that she had to get help from the police.

“There were literally thousands of abusive tweets — it was a semi-organized campaign,” she recalled in an interview. “ It ranged from the usual ‘c***, bitch, dumb blonde’ to ‘I’m going to find out where you live and execute you.’”

[Al Bundy]

47 minutes ago, peak4 said:

Depends if you view Tate et al as right wing, but yes he and others do try and manipulate young lads via social media such as TikTok, which sees a lot of traffic from youngsters.

I genuinely struggle to see why so many folk jump to defend Tate. Do they feel entitled to justify this sort of rhetoric as a reflection of their own personal opinions?

Read the whole of the article(s) and then please explain whether his attitudes should be defended/promoted, or robustly challenged.

Inside the violent, misogynistic world of TikTok’s new star, Andrew Tate     Guardian/Observer

Observer investigation reveals how the ex-kickboxer and Big Brother contestant from Luton has gone from obscurity to global internet fame in months

How TikTok bombards young men with misogynistic videos
Andrew Tate says women belong in the home, can’t drive, and are a man’s property.

He also thinks rape victims must “bear responsibility” for their attacks and dates women aged 18–19 because he can “make an imprint” on them, according to videos posted online.

In other clips, the British-American kickboxer – who poses with fast cars, guns and portrays himself as a cigar-smoking playboy – talks about hitting and choking women, trashing their belongings and stopping them from going out.

“It’s bang out the machete, boom in her face and grip her by the neck. Shut up bitch,” he says in one video, acting out how he’d attack a woman if she accused him of cheating.

In another, he describes throwing a woman’s things out of the window. In a third, he calls an ex-girlfriend who accused him of hitting her – an allegation he denies – a “dumb hoe”.

Tate’s views have been described as extreme misogyny by domestic abuse charities, capable of radicalising men and boys to commit harm offline.

 

See also

How TikTok bombards young men with misogynistic videos  Guardian/Observer

We conducted an experiment to get an insight into what young people are being shown on the platform, which allows users to join from the age of 13.

To ensure the findings wouldn’t be influenced by our previous search history, we set up a new TikTok account for an imaginary teenager, using a fake name and date of birth.

Without “liking” or searching for any content proactively, the suggestions included videos of Andrew Tate, including one from a copycat account using Tate’s name and picture captioned the “harsh reality of men”, which appeared to blame feminism for making men miserable, adding that the “majority of men have no money, no power, no sex from their wife”, and that their lives “suck”.

After watching two of his videos we were recommended more, including clips of him expressing misogynistic views.

The next time the account was opened, the first four posts were by Tate, from four different accounts.

The algorithm also suggested videos from Dr Jordan Peterson, a Canadian psychologist known for his rightwing views; men’s coaching programmes and videos from men’s rights activists.
he says people seeking mental health support are “useless”. He says: “If you’re the kind of person who feels like you need therapy, you need someone to talk to, do you know what you are? You’re useless. 

 

Jordan Peterson, the obscure Canadian psychologist turned right-wing celebrity, explained  VOX
Who Peterson is, and the important truths he reveals about our current political moment.

Jordan Peterson is also a right-wing internet celebrity who has claimed that feminists have “an unconscious wish for brutal male domination,” referred to developing nations as “pits of catastrophe” in a speech to a Dutch far-right group, and recently told a Times reporter that he supported “enforced monogamy.”

When Cathy Newman, a journalist for the UK’s Channel 4, challenged Peterson’s arguments in a televised interview, she received so many death threats that she had to get help from the police.

“There were literally thousands of abusive tweets — it was a semi-organized campaign,” she recalled in an interview. “ It ranged from the usual ‘c***, bitch, dumb blonde’ to ‘I’m going to find out where you live and execute you.’”

Vox and the Guardian?  No left wing bias there then.

 

 

Tate is extremely intelligent but says things out of order predominantly for controversial means and publicity, I don't think anyone would dispute that.

He also, along with Peterson is (imo) very articulate and interesting to listen to and I agree with some of the things they say, not all but some.

 

Just like millions upon millions of others do..

 

What's your opinion on women online teaching other women to steal from men, or books available on Amazon giving women tips on how to lie about sexual assault, or women on Onlyfans selling their bodies and telling young girls it's easy money?

 

Why is that not mentioned in schools, why are teachers not complaining about that? Why is the Guardian not doing articles about this?

 

Do you not think it's double standards?

Edited March 14 by Al Bundy

[peak4]

No double standards at all; it's entirely possible to condemn more than one style of toxic social media output.

 

Without specific examples. it's difficult to comment further.

[Al Bundy]

3 minutes ago, peak4 said:

No double standards at all; it's entirely possible to condemn more than one style of toxic social media output.

 

Without specific examples. it's difficult to comment further.

So why is there no outrage about what I've mentioned, especially in left wing press such as the Guardian?

 

You want a specific example, ok..

 

A book available on Amazon called "How to Destroy mens life now"

 

This book is teaching women how to trap men into sexual harassment and other cases, how to grab money from them and how to destroy their life, career, social status and image and eventually their life too.

 

Why is there no outrage about this?

 

Imagine if Tate had published this book about women.

 

Another example.

Cardi B, the pop star, admittedly drugged and robbed men.....why is there no outrage by teachers at school warning children not to admire her?

 

 

That enough for now?

 

 

 

[Prettytom]

4 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

So why is there no outrage about what I've mentioned, especially in left wing press such as the Guardian?

 

You want a specific example, ok..

 

A book available on Amazon called "How to Destroy mens life now"

 

This book is teaching women how to trap men into sexual harassment and other cases, how to grab money from them and how to destroy their life, career, social status and image and eventually their life too.

 

Why is there no outrage about this?

 

Imagine if Tate had published this book about women.

 

Another example.

Cardi B, the pop star, admittedly drugged and robbed men.....why is there no outrage by teachers at school warning children not to admire her?

 

 

That enough for now?

 

 

 

Maybe these things don’t cause outrage, because they don’t get as much traction in schools, Tate’s particular brand of masculinity causes endless problems for school staff trying to guide adolescent boys into responsible adulthood. Don’t underestimate how difficult that task is, or how much more difficult Tate and his entourage make it.

 

I very much doubt that the books that you’ve cited are anywhere near as influential as Tate and therefore they correctly, dont  cause the same outcry.

 

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

So why is there no outrage about what I've mentioned, especially in left wing press such as the Guardian?

 

You want a specific example, ok..

 

A book available on Amazon called "How to Destroy mens life now"

 

This book is teaching women how to trap men into sexual harassment and other cases, how to grab money from them and how to destroy their life, career, social status and image and eventually their life too.

 

Why is there no outrage about this?

 

Imagine if Tate had published this book about women.

 

Another example.

Cardi B, the pop star, admittedly drugged and robbed men.....why is there no outrage by teachers at school warning children not to admire her?

 

 

That enough for now?

 

 

 

There is.     It sounds very much as if YOU are outraged.

I'm quite sure there will be nothing in the book that many women don't know already.

Men and women have always set traps for each other throughout time.  No need to get outraged  -  just use your head when you're in a relationship,  especially if it's going downhill.

Next line redundant - Tate didn't publish that book about women.    Not good for you to get outraged about something that didn't happen.

 

Example Cardi B  -  There may well have been outrage by teachers at schools and they may well have warned the kids.   If you are a grown man and not attending all the girls schools,  you'll never know.

Sounds as if you're an admirer of Tate and hold the same opinions about the opposite sex.   I think he's just an over ego-ed idiot.