Sheffield 15 Min Zone

[Planner1]

39 minutes ago, fools said:

hit a nerve did I

Shall we take that as a yes?

[fools]

Just now, Planner1 said:

Shall we take that as a yes?

would you like someone to take you for a walk before it gets dark

[Planner1]

21 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

It was proven any years ago that when the police control centre took control of the lights around Meadowhall 2 things became apparent.

1 The light changes heavily favoured one direction over another.

2 Chaos, worse than what they were "solving", was created within minutes on most other routes.

 

I have no doubt that planner will deny this but it is a FACT

The police control centre don’t operate traffic signals.

 

The council’s traffic control run them.

 

There are many different timing plans that can be run on the signals around there, they can come in by time of day, day of week, when queues get to a certain length or by operator command. Operators can also take direct control of the signals and run them on green to any approach for as long as they like.

 

When you run a timing plan that favours one approach at a busy time, it’s pretty obvious that there will be additional delays on other approaches.

[top4718]

12 hours ago, Planner1 said:

They aren’t “only” being started now. Councils have been working on public transport infrastructure schemes for decades. They do what they can within the framework and funding that central government provides. The schemes that councils can do are about the infrastructure, improving bus stops, routes and interchanges. 

 

Many people will tell you the problems with the buses started with the deregulation of the bus industry in 1986. Most daytime services are now provided commercially by private companies. Councils and city regions have little control over this. Companies just register a service. Out of peak times most  bus services are subsidised with funding the government provides. It is limited and every year the local authorities have too make difficult decisions on what should be funded.

 

Some see franchising ( like in London) as the answer but under the government’s legal framework it hasn’t been possible. Changes mean it might now be possible and places like Greater Manchester are working to implement it, but it isn’t easy or quick and there’s big financial ( and political) risks. Transport for London are losing huge amounts and are constantly asking for government bailouts. Any local authority who takes responsibility for commissioning public transport services needs to be very sure they can afford it. That’s why most have favoured the much less risky bus partnerships approach, working with operators.
 

Bus patronage has been falling and car use increasing  for decades, even before deregulation, so there isn’t a simple answer. Whatever the answer is, it probably involves spending a lot more than we do now if we want better public transport. 

The only think that's improved in "decades" is the profits the transport operators make, the service most definitely hasn't.

[RollingJ]

9 hours ago, top4718 said:

The only think that's improved in "decades" is the profits the transport operators make, the service most definitely hasn't.

South Yorkshire services make very little, if any, profit for the two main operators.

[jonnythefox]

1. Has anyone else noticed the new signs on bradfield road hillsborough reading eat local,drink local,shop local all have council logo on them . Maybe the guy who says he doesnt work for the council knows something .

[HeHasRisen]

1 hour ago, jonnythefox said:

1. Has anyone else noticed the new signs on bradfield road hillsborough reading eat local,drink local,shop local all have council logo on them . Maybe the guy who says he doesnt work for the council knows something .

Think you would need to post a picture of one of these signs but is not unusual for local initiatives like this to be backed by the city council.

[Guest sibon]

2 hours ago, HeHasRisen said:

Think you would need to post a picture of one of these signs but is not unusual for local initiatives like this to be backed by the city council.

They are like the ones in Burngreave, Broomhill, Crookesmoor and Nether Edge.

 

Probably other places too.

 

They look good.

[jonnythefox]

3 hours ago, HeHasRisen said:

Think you would need to post a picture of one of these signs but is not unusual for local initiatives like this to be backed by the city council.

This isn't a local thing, it's part of the plan to end car usage same as the caz con 

[HeHasRisen]

1 minute ago, jonnythefox said:

This isn't a local thing, it's part of the plan to end car usage same as the caz con