Teachers' Strikes

[Chekhov]

1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

Yes, indeed it was. The teachers arent in work to receive a statutory education as per law so any suggestion they should be "fined" for not being there is strawman and nonsensical.

But their strikes are stopping kids "receiving a statutory education", just like (according to the government) the parents would be by taking their kids on holiday, so my argument is perfectly sound. 

[Guest sibon]

1 minute ago, Chekhov said:

We are becoming over populated with Strawmen.

I never commented on if there was a teacher recruitment problem, i simply said it would be the government's job to ensure there are enough teachers and if there aren't they will pay for it at the ballot box.

There is a problem with teacher training numbers.

There is a problem with teacher recruitment.

There is a problem with teacher retention.

 

Pay is part of the problem. Conditions are also a problem.

 

That’s undeniable.

[Chekhov]

4 minutes ago, sibon said:

When your lad doesn’t have specialist secondary school teachers, please don’t come on here whining about it.

If that were to be the case I, like any parent, would have every right to moan and it would be the government's fault one way or another. Maybe wasting £400 Billion might be part of the reason ?

 

2 minutes ago, sibon said:

There is a problem with teacher training numbers.

There is a problem with teacher recruitment.

There is a problem with teacher retention.

 

Pay is part of the problem. Conditions are also a problem.

 

That’s undeniable.

Where did I disagree with any of that ?

1 hour ago, Zinger549 said:

I don't think any teachers want to strike but they feel like they don't have any other choice.  Hopefully the government will sit down and sort it out before the strikes start.  What would you do if you were in their shoes?

If I did not want to work for the salary on offer I would have to look for another job. That's what the great majority of people have to do.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Chekhov

[HeHasRisen]

7 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

But their strikes are stopping kids "receiving a statutory education", just like (according to the government) the parents would be by taking their kids on holiday, so my argument is perfectly sound. 

Not really. If the school is not even open then quite clearly nobody is "being fined", exactly the same as when a school is shut due to boiler failure or a snow day.

Stop being silly.

Edited January 20, 2023 by HeHasRisen

[Guest sibon]

2 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

 

Where did I disagree with any of that ?

I didn’t say that you did.

 

I was just trying to explain to you why teachers need a pay rise.

 

They are collectively choosing your option 3.

 

“Leave and get another job.”

[Chekhov]

20 minutes ago, echo beach said:

No doubt many of the general public think teaching is a doddle. Working hours of 9 'til 3 and thirteen weeks holiday a year, plus the fantastic money they earn.

Well believe me today it's not like that in the slightest.

I was educated in the '50s and spent over 30 years at the 'chalk face'. until retiring over a decade ago.

It's a different ball game nowadays compared with back then. The critics ought to spend a few months trying it out and then they might alter their opinions.

The same goes for nursing and a lot of other jobs.

echo.

I never said that, esp teaching in secondary schools.

But that is not the same thing as agreeing with their strikes.

[S35_2o21]

1 hour ago, Al Bundy said:

Stop indoctrinating kids for a start about politics would be my first port of call.

What is this based on? Actual understanding of the curriculum or what the Daily Mail/Express is telling you?

[Al Bundy]

2 minutes ago, S35_2o21 said:

What is this based on? Actual understanding of the curriculum or what the Daily Mail/Express is telling you?

No.

 

My own personal experiences.

 

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[S35_2o21]

1 minute ago, Al Bundy said:

No.

 

My own personal experiences.

 

👍

In other words, another viewpoint on the world then.

[alchresearch]

Out of all professionals, its teachers I see the most tarred with the same brush (good pay, easy hours, long holidays), when in reality you have good and bad in the profession.

 

I've worked in education for nearly 25 years, taught for several of them and been married to a teacher, and its a real mixed bag - some teachers go above and beyond with marking and lesson plans, others do very little. Some stay until 6pm, others are out the door two minutes behind the kids!  My ex had a box of unmarked books under the bed for three months.

 

The last time I was at a school that was getting an OFSTED inspection the level of panic was disgusting - teachers were crying, the head decided to keep the school open from 6am to midnight each of the 3 days prior to the visit in order to prepare and basically falsify things.  

Why they need to prepare was beyond me if they did the job as required.    Can you imagine having a dentist and them only doing the job properly if an inspector was due?  Or a mechanic?  

 

If teachers think the role can't be done as it is and needs changing then they need to say NO to Ofsted, and explain, instead of bending over backwards and making things appear ok to them for the two days they're on site.  Ofsted inspectors must think kids smell like fresh paint!

Edited January 20, 2023 by alchresearch