Teachers' Strikes

[harvey19]

23 minutes ago, crookesey said:

I don’t see the point in slagging off other folks jobs, I wouldn’t fancy being a teacher or a nurse, plus I wouldn’t relish shift work, but that’s my choice, it’s good that there are others that don’t share my likes and dislikes.

Exactly.

I knew people who enjoyed shift work as it gave them time off when others were at work and things were quieter.

I hated shift work, on 2-10 afternoons I would spend all morning just waiting to go to work.

On 10-6 nights I hated going to work at bedtime.and on 6-6 nights I would be getting into bed as the wife was getting up to go her work and then as she came in from work I was going to work.

Just now, fools said:

so you pay someone to write a lesson plan, and someone to write homework questions, then distribute it to teachers .. more time to watch Happy Valley

 

 

The teacher wrote their own lesson plan.

My experience of teachers is that they are conscientious and care about their pupils.

It must be harder nowadays as when I went to school discipline was more strict and parents did not get involved as much as nowadays.

We had to stand up when a teacher came in the room and call the male teachers sir.

Punishments were lines, detention and the cane.

[L00b]

1 hour ago, harvey19 said:

You base your argument solely on pay which in my experience is not the only factor causing  people to be unhappy in their professions.

That argument developed from PRESLEY’s comment about pay, so it is about pay indeed.
 

But I don’t think that I suggested, that the teacher strikes were related to pay alone?

 

No employer can ever guarantee that their grass is greenest for all, all of the time…even when they water it every day!

 

But continuing with the analogy, I’d have said that strikes begin to happen, when that grass is reaching advanced stages of yellowing.

[Annie Bynnol]

36 minutes ago, fools said:

so you pay someone to write a lesson plan, and someone to write homework questions, then distribute it to teachers .. more time to watch Happy Valley

 

 

   You are confusing a 'scheme of work'  and a 'lesson plan'.

• A scheme of work can be bought commercially and adapted to that school or it could be one prepared months ahead by the department. They would need to reflect the resources available, experience and specialism of the teacher and would include materials etc. needed. They would be reviewed every 1/2 year and adapted to changing curriculum, resources or from feedback.
• A short term plan for a group of lessons with a timeline.
• A 'lesson plan' is specific to a teacher, a room, a group, range of ability, would include differentiation, specify materials and resources required, SEN requirements and how their support is used. would  It would include details of the starter activity. the main chunkas, further work and homework set the plenary and how the children are assessed and how you will established that the objectives have been met and how you feed that back to the individual child. Risk assessment is an essential in some subjects.

   Lesson plans are always expected in advance for Ofsted and demanded by departmental heads and senior staff at any time. In all schools their are individual teacher targets for improvement the checks are rigorous and related to performance pay and can be used as evidence in a disciplinary procedures. 

   Checks are made regularly on a teachers lesson planner and random samples of pupils work. Inspections are not announced in advance. 

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Annie Bynnol

[fools]

8 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said:

   You are confusing

 

shush, here's a book, read it while I mark your pointless homework

[Annie Bynnol]

30 minutes ago, fools said:

shush, here's a book, read it while I mark your pointless homework

   Your homework, however, is not pointless as it will give an impression of maturity when you are trying to make a point.

• To be able to quote what other people have written.
• To be able to edit a quote without changing the the original meaning.
• To know when to use an 'exclamation mark'.
• To start a sentence with a capital letter.
• To complete a sentence with a 'full stop'.
• To provide meaningful comment(s).
• To suggest how the work could be improved.

 

 

[Chekhov]

4 hours ago, L00b said:

That’s an opinion within your specific frame of reference, which is not relevant to the topic.
It’s a decent wage relative to the median UK wage, keeping well in mind that £40k is not for a career starter, but for a confirmed and well-experienced teacher with a good few years under their belt. 

For the levels of work, responsibility and personal/professional stress involved, it isn’t a good wage. Hence the attrition rate (25+%, up to 54+% forecast) and the consequential shortage of upcoming school leadership types.
To attract and retain capable, mature people to the profession, particularly in STEM subjects, it isn’t. Hence the endemic shortage of STEM teachers.

Education is no different to healthcare and other basic societal requirements. If you want good public services, they need to be well-managed and well-resourced, that means paying the going market rate for profiles and skillsets, else you lose them to the competition, particularly to the private sector. Especially in a full employment context like currently, wherein candidates name their price.

For context and contrast, the going rate for a secondary Ed. teacher of equivalent experience here in Lux, is well over twice £40k. Yet the education sector is still losing them hand over fist to the private sector, can’t find enough replacements, nor keep them - no differently to the UK.

Teaching has a  good pension though hasn't it ?  And has a good holiday entitlement, apart from having to take those holidays at the most expensive times...... Most significantly, if the unemployment rate goes up, which most people are predicting, it's a safe job.

[L00b]

36 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

Teaching has a  good pension though hasn't it ?  And has a good holiday entitlement, apart from having to take those holidays at the most expensive times...... Most significantly, if the unemployment rate goes up, which most people are predicting, it's a safe job.

So do innumerable other jobs.

 

But here’s a thought: why don’t you give it a go?
 

All your problems solved. Well, except aggressive lady drivers in Audis.

[HeHasRisen]

24 minutes ago, L00b said:

So do innumerable other jobs.

 

But here’s a thought: why don’t you give it a go?
 

All your problems solved. Well, except aggressive lady drivers in Audis.

🤣

[Chekhov]

3 hours ago, L00b said:

So do innumerable other jobs.

 

But here’s a thought: why don’t you give it a go?
 

All your problems solved. Well, except aggressive lady drivers in Audis.

Having worked for myself I couldn't work for anyone else, no chance, money would be no object. 

As an example, during Covid my boss could have insisted I wear a mask which I would have absolutely hated, but I am the boss so nobody could tell me to and nobody working in my shop wanted to or did.

[redruby]

5 hours ago, Chekhov said:

Teaching has a  good pension though hasn't it ?  And has a good holiday entitlement, apart from having to take those holidays at the most expensive times...... Most significantly, if the unemployment rate goes up, which most people are predicting, it's a safe job.

Race to the bottom, race to the bottom, race to the bottom.  Some people are worse off than teachers so shut up and be grateful.  Blah, blah, blah….