echo beach Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) No doubt many of the general public think teaching is a doddle. Working hours of 9 'til 3 and thirteen weeks holiday a year, plus the fantastic money they earn. Well believe me today it's not like that in the slightest. I was educated in the '50s and spent over 30 years at the 'chalk face'. until retiring over a decade ago. It's a different ball game nowadays compared with back then. The critics ought to spend a few months trying it out and then they might alter their opinions. The same goes for nursing and a lot of other jobs. echo. Edited January 20, 2023 by echo beach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, HeHasRisen said: Obligatory but needless mention of Covid, along with a nonsensical question to finish, I'm oot. 1 - The fact kids missed 7 months education is of no relevance to them missing even more ? 2 - The fact parents get fined for their kids missing even one weeks school over a year IS relevant. How come the teachers aren't getting fined ? I have to say you do not sound like you have any kids at school. 1 hour ago, sibon said: I snipped those bits, to attempt to point people towards the serious and growing problem in teacher recruitment and retention. Although, a pay rise is only part of the solution. There are some other things that need doing, not all of which will please the teaching unions. Do you remember when we were short of truck drivers ? They got massive rises. If low wages are leading to a shortage of teachers or nurses or whatever (and I am unconvinced by that as it happens) then the government in power will pay for it at the ballot box. Edited January 20, 2023 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chekhov said: 1 - The fact kids missed 7 months education is of no relevance to them missing even more ? 2 - The fact parents get fined for their kids missing even one weeks school over a year IS relevant. How come the teachers aren't getting fined ? I have to say you do not sound like you have any kids at school. Do you think a teacher should be fined if they have a day off sick, or are you merely picking and choosing scenarios to suit an agenda? Edited January 20, 2023 by HeHasRisen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bargepole23 said: >>Chekhov said : Most of us only have three options if we think we're not being paid enough : 1 - Do more hours (if possible). 2 - Get promotion. 3 - Leave and get another job.<< 4. Ask for a pay increase. Actually, perhaps I should have said : Ask for a pay increase and if you don't get one then : 1 - Do more hours (if possible). 2 - Get promotion. 3 - Leave and get another job. Edited January 20, 2023 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chekhov said: Do you remember when we were short of truck drivers ? They got massive rises. If low wages are leading to a shortage of teachers or nurses or whatever (and I am unconvinced by that as it happens) then the government in power will pay for it at the ballot box. I might have guessed that you would be unconvinced by simple, incontrovertible statistics. There’s a pattern emerging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Chekhov said: Actually, perhaps I should have said : Ask for a pay increase and if you don't get one then : 1 - Do more hours (if possible). 2 - Get promotion. 3 - Leave and get another job. 4. Vote for, and then go on, a strike, as is their legal right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said: Do you think a teacher should be fined if they have a day off sick, or are you merely picking and choosing scenarios to suit an agenda? Another Strawman argument. They are not sick, they are choosing to be off..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHasRisen Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Chekhov said: Another Strawman argument. Yes, indeed it was. The teachers arent in work to receive a statutory education as per law so any suggestion they should be "fined" for not being there is strawman and nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, sibon said: I might have guessed that you would be unconvinced by simple, incontrovertible statistics. There’s a pattern emerging. We are becoming over populated with Strawmen. I never commented on if there was a teacher recruitment problem, i simply said it would be the government's job to ensure there are enough teachers and if there aren't they will pay for it at the ballot box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chekhov said: 3 - Leave and get another job. When your lad doesn’t have specialist secondary school teachers, please don’t come on here whining about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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