How Many Sheffielders Will Be Helping Mr Hunt?

[Guest busdriver1]

6 minutes ago, Anna B said:

 

The only reason they are suggesting OAPs is that they need to supplement their pension,

 

The proposal was actually for those who had retired early, NOT old age pensioners.

[MJ01]

5 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

The proposal was actually for those who had retired early, NOT old age pensioners.

He doesn't bother with fripperies such as facts....

[Anna B]

35 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

The proposal was actually for those who had retired early, NOT old age pensioners.

People in their 50's and 60's who find themselves unemployed have enough trouble finding work that pays a decent wage (they are usually not entitled to unemployment benefits because they have savings,) so once again they are expected to do the physically hardest, but lowest paid work to 'save the country.' 

 

[Guest busdriver1]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

People in their 50's and 60's who find themselves unemployed have enough trouble finding work that pays a decent wage (they are usually not entitled to unemployment benefits because they have savings,) so once again they are expected to do the physically hardest, but lowest paid work to 'save the country.' 

 

again, we are NOT talking about the unemployed, it is people who have taken early retirement. 

Who says they are expected to do the lowest paid jobs? Many are doctors who he would like to see back doing medical work. Surely that would be a good thing?

[fools]

2 hours ago, busdriver1 said:

The proposal was actually for those who had retired early, NOT old age pensioners.

The age specifics aren't relevant. If they decided to stop working, why on earth would they want to go back to work.

[Guest busdriver1]

59 minutes ago, fools said:

The age specifics aren't relevant. If they decided to stop working, why on earth would they want to go back to work.

Nobody is being forced, they are being asked if they want to. 

It is voluntary.

Why is this even being discussed? it is a simple request that people can decline without any form of repercussion.

[fools]

6 minutes ago, busdriver1 said:

Nobody is being forced, they are being asked if they want to. 

It is voluntary.

Why is this even being discussed? it is a simple request that people can decline without any form of repercussion.

nobody said or alluded to it being forced, it being voluntary is obvious - but we are being softened up for later and later state pensions

 

I was pointing out how ridiculous the idea is.

 

you're discussing it.

 

Why, because the media have to fill their tv/radio/newspaper with endless junk to get joe bloggs agitated. Vine had a good half an hour of tv about kids being given toothpaste by teachers this morning

Edited February 7, 2023 by fools

[spilldig]

37 minutes ago, fools said:

nobody said or alluded to it being forced, it being voluntary is obvious - but we are being softened up for later and later state pensions

 

I was pointing out how ridiculous the idea is.

 

you're discussing it.

 

Why, because the media have to fill their tv/radio/newspaper with endless junk to get joe bloggs agitated. Vine had a good half an hour of tv about kids being given toothpaste by teachers this morning

I have had it with Vine. About a year ago they were talking about George Floyd. A tragic thing, yes, but then he said "but look at his list of crimes. Oh, Oh, Oh, no we better not read that out."  So the crimes don't matter.                                                                                                                                                                                                        I let that one go and then last week they were talking about people not paying heating bills and somebody rang in and said," but what do we do about some people who just refuse to pay?" and he never replied. whoever's fault that is, his or his paymasters don't know but either way it was enough for me.

[Anna B]

3 hours ago, busdriver1 said:

again, we are NOT talking about the unemployed, it is people who have taken early retirement. 

Who says they are expected to do the lowest paid jobs? Many are doctors who he would like to see back doing medical work. Surely that would be a good thing?

You are assuming that all those who have taken early retirement all have a works pension, which may well be true, in which case they probably don't want a job changing beds or working in a distribution centre for peanuts, especially doctors. These are cutthroat, highly pressured, exhausting jobs that nobody wants unless they are young, fit or desperate.

 

However the people that  are finally going to go  for such jobs  are the broke, early 'retirees' ie those that are elderly but trying to live on fresh air because they have no pension yet and can't get benefits because they have been made redundant towards the end of their working lives, and can't get another at a decent wage. Or actual OAPs trying to live on a below the poverty line state pension.

They may have a small amount of savings which they were saving for their 'proper' retirement, but are being eaten up because they can't claim unemployment benefits or anything else. They are going broke and face an old age in penury.

 

All the government wants is for somebody - anybody - to do these jobs, so they won't have to admit that foreign workers are the only ones in a position to do them and no longer want to come here. Those on Universal Credit have learned through bitter experience not to touch them as they make them even poorer and put them into debt, so the only ones left to target are OAP's who as yet don't know any better.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Anna B

[bassett one]

well they have said they are looking to  increase the amount that people can keep on universal credit,thus enticing more to work and some to work say 30 hours instead of 16 hours,but i agree it must be made worth there while. why not train the long term employed as well and if it all fails despite paying out for many to stay at home,we will have to change the laws to let migrant workers come and work,but many say the farm gangs have moved to other countrys to work after we stopped them coming.