Special Schools Over Subscribed.

[harvey19]

5 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I agree with a lot of this. I think most would benefit from mainstream school. But also think we are guilty of pigeonholing state school children into a big box marked 'normal' and giving them the 'one size fits all' education.

 

A lot of kids simply don't fit, but that is not necessarily a disability, and with the right tweaks, their particular talents and personalities can be made to flourish. But that's not easy in a class of 30. 

 

We could start by reducing class sizes to 12, which is the average size of classes in private school education. 

That way the kids are individuals with individual needs that can be nurtured by a teacher with the time and expertise to do it.

Are there still the A,B and C classes which reflect abilities.?

[XPertByExperien]

1 minute ago, harvey19 said:

Are there still the A,B and C classes which reflect abilities.?

Probably.

 

Plus people have lambasted various governments for class sizes being FAR too big for years, but it's unlikely to get any better IMO, on the contrary I envisage class sizes getting BIGGER as some Parents use school as free child care while they're at work.

 

 

[harvey19]

3 minutes ago, XPertByExperien said:

Probably.

 

Plus people have lambasted various governments for class sizes being FAR too big for years, but it's unlikely to get any better IMO, on the contrary I envisage class sizes getting BIGGER as some Parents use school as free child care while they're at work.

 

 

When I went to schools not many mothers went out to work full time.

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by harvey19

[XPertByExperien]

1 minute ago, harvey19 said:

When I went to schools not many mothers went out to work full time.

 

Note I said SOME Parents.

 

Things have changed since you were at school man, a lot more people work LONG hours and aren't around much to look after the kids, through no fault of their own, they have to work to provide a roof over their heads/food on the table, etc.

 

 

[harvey19]

2 hours ago, XPertByExperien said:

Note I said SOME Parents.

 

Things have changed since you were at school man, a lot more people work LONG hours and aren't around much to look after the kids, through no fault of their own, they have to work to provide a roof over their heads/food on the table, etc.

 

 

The cause for this in many cases is to pay a mortgage.

One of the massive problems which has developed over the years is the astronomical price of housing.

 

[Anna B]

2 hours ago, XPertByExperien said:

Probably.

 

Plus people have lambasted various governments for class sizes being FAR too big for years, but it's unlikely to get any better IMO, on the contrary I envisage class sizes getting BIGGER as some Parents use school as free child care while they're at work.

 

 

The irony is if they'd done this back in the seventies (preferably when they brought in Comprehensives) they'd have saved themselves a ton of money. They have done nothing but mess about with education for the last 50 years, throwing money into new schemes, such as the National Curriculum, trying to improve a flawed system when this simple answer was always staring them in the face. 

[XPertByExperien]

3 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

The cause for this in many cases is to pay a mortgage.

One of the massive problems which has developed over the years is the astronomical price of housing.

 

Indeed, my Parents paid £300 for a mortgage on a House in Chapeltown back in the early 70s, 50 years later, 300 quid would barely cover a week's rent on most places.

 

 

[El Cid]

4 hours ago, XPertByExperien said:

Note I said SOME Parents.

 

Things have changed since you were at school man, a lot more people work LONG hours and aren't around much to look after the kids, through no fault of their own, they have to work to provide a roof over their heads/food on the table, etc.

Implying that parents did not work long hours 50 years ago?

My father used to work 10-12 hours per day. I would get the shopping on a Friday and carry it home. No mum, just an extended family.

 

Parents send their school to a mainstream school, but they have the option of SEN schools, I believe they are now called SEND schools. We now categorise everything much more, parents get more money it their child has a 'special need'. So there is an incentive to do it.

There is a massive range of children with special needs, violet children to higher specialised intelligence.

[XPertByExperien]

9 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Implying that parents did not work long hours 50 years ago?

My father used to work 10-12 hours per day. I would get the shopping on a Friday and carry it home. No mum, just an extended family.

 

Parents send their school to a mainstream school, but they have the option of SEN schools, I believe they are now called SEND schools. We now categorise everything much more, parents get more money it their child has a 'special need'. So there is an incentive to do it.

There is a massive range of children with special needs, violet children to higher specialised intelligence.

50 years later, a 10 hour working day would be considered part time probably, depending on how many days a week you'd work.

 

 

[harvey19]

Life has changed dramatically.

I am of the era when some schoolchildren had no father as he had been killed in the war

Edited February 20, 2023 by harvey19